[ExI] GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding problem

[William Flynn Wallace]

But you never said how knowledge got to our brains other than through the
senses.  bill w

On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 2:14 PM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> On Fri, Apr 7, 2023 at 12:09 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 11:45 PM Gordon Swobe <gordon.swobe at gmail.com>
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>>> I think you are begging the question, asking me to assume your
>>> conclusion. I have no idea if brains derive understanding from the mere
>>> statistical correlations of their inputs.
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>> Hi Gordon, thank you for responding to that question.
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>> Let's break it apart to see where there is either disagreement or
>> confusion:
>> 1. We agree that human brains have understanding, correct?
>> 2. We agree that the only information a human brain receives from or
>> about the outside world enters it as nerve impulses from the senses,
>> correct?
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> I hope you understand that you opened up a giant can of worms, especially
> with the second question. If you expect simple yes/no answers to simple
> questions then I might disappoint you.
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> 1. I agree that conscious human brains, aka minds, have understanding.
> That question is fairly straightforward.
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> 2. This question is more problematic, and depends to some extent on what
> we mean by "outside world." We already had a miscommunication about that
> question with respect to referents. I am not a strict empiricist, which is
> to say that I do not believe that all knowledge is derived from the senses
> where senses is taken to mean sight, hearing, etc. You've already seen me
> write about how I believe along with mathematical platonists that we
> discover mathematical truths and do not invent them. The square root of 9
> is 3 and this was and is eternally true. It was true before anyone had a
> conscious mind to contemplate and learn it. Does it exist in the
> "outside world"? Is the platonic realm in the outside world?
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> Empirical science has been a great boon to humanity, but as Shakespeare
> might say, "‘There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are
> dreamt of in the philosophy of empiricism." :)
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> -gts
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