[ExI] GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding problem

[Brent Allsop]

Oh yes, that is why there are camps on canonizer.com.  Stathis is in the
Functionalist
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/8-Functional-Prprty-Dualism>
camp, for example, while I am in the physicalist
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/7-Qualia-are-Physical-Qualities>
camp, making different falsifiable predictions about the nature of
qualities.  And so far, there is a clear consensus that redness is not a
quality of the strawberry, it is a quality of our knowledge of the
strawberry, redness is a quality of something in our head.  As far as I
know,nobody here has disagreed with that general idea.
And, again, if anyone disagrees, with this or anything, I would very much
like to know exactly what it is you disagree with, and what you do believe.

And most importantly of all.  How might any different theory be falsified,
for the supporters of that theory.  All the current camps have described
how their predictions could be falsified.
So, the rest is up to the experimentalists, as described by this
theoretical work, to force everyone into a scientific consensus.






On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 6:43 PM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Brent, do you think perhaps people might understand the info and images in
> your camp from your website, which you have posted probably hundreds od
> times, and they just disagree with you?
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> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 1:50 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> I keep showing this image, attempting to communicate something:
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>> [image: 3_functionally_equal_machines_tiny.png]
>> Sure, our elementary school teacher told us the one on the left is red,
>> the one in the middle is green, and the one on the right is just the word
>> 'Red'.
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>> But it is evident from all these conversations, that nobody here
>> understands the deeper meaning I'm attempting to communicate.
>> Some people seem to be getting close, which is nice, but they may not yet
>> be fully there.
>> If everyone fully understood this, all these conversations would be
>> radically different.
>> Even if you disagree with me, can anyone describe the deeper meaning I'm
>> attempting to communicate with this image?
>> What does this image say about qualities, different ways of representing
>> information, and different ways of doing computation?
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>> How about this, I'll give $100 worth of Ether, or just USD, to anyone who
>> can fully describe the meaning attempting to be portrayed with this image.
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>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 10:27 AM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 9:31 AM Jason Resch <jasonresch at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023, 10:45 AM Gordon Swobe <gordon.swobe at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 3:43 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>>>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> There is phenomenal consciousness. That I would call awareness of
>>>>>> first person non-sharable information concerning one's internal states of
>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is this phenomenal consciousness to which I refer. If you do not
>>>>> think there something it is like to be a large language model then we have
>>>>> no disagreement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I believe there is something it is like to be for either the LLM, or
>>>> something inside it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean by something inside it. A philosopher named
>>> Thomas Nagel wrote a famous paper titled something like “What is it like to
>>> be a bat?” That is the sense that I mean here. Do you think there something
>>> it is like to be GPT-4? When you ask it a question and it replies, is it
>>> aware of its own private first person experience in the sense that we are
>>> aware of our private experience? Or does it have no awareness of any
>>> supposed experience?
>>>
>>> -gts
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