[ExI] Why stop at glutamate?

[Brent Allsop]

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 7:45 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 9:20 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 3:21 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023, 12:05 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Other parts of the brain decode the meaning of the signals they
>>>>> receive.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They decode it to WHAT?  Decoding from one code, to another code, none
>>>> of which is like anything
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are now theorizing that there is nothing it is like to be the
>>> process that decodes a signal and reaches some state of having determined
>>> which from a broad array of possibilities, that signal represents. That is
>>> what qualia are: discriminations within a high dimensionality space.
>>>
>>> nor are they grounded is not yet grounding anything.  It is still just a
>>>> code with no grounded referent so you can't truly decode them in any
>>>> meaningful way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> What does it mean to ground something? Explain how you see grounding
>>> achieved (in detail)?
>>>
>>
>> It is all about what is required (experimentally) to get someone to
>> experience stand alone, no grounding dictionary required, "old guys
>> redness".  (the requirement for grounding as in: "oh THAT is what old guys
>> redness is like.")
>>
>
> You need to be the conscious of old guy's brain to ever know that.
>

I've had this identical conversations with multiple other people like John
Clark.  Our response is canonized in the RQT camp statement
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia>.
In summary, It's the difference between elemental qualities and
composite qualities.  Of course, if you consider redness to be like the
entire monalisa, it is going to be much more difficult to communicate what
all that is like.  And you have to transmit all the pixels to accomplish
that.  All that is required, is elemental codes, that are grounded in
elemental properties.  And send that grounded code, for each pixel of the
monalisa, to that person.
P.S.  the person receiving the coded message, could decode the codes,
representing the mona lisa, with redness and greenness inverted, if they
wanted.  I guess you would consider that to be the same painting?
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