[ExI] list intimidation

SR Ballard sen.otaku at gmail.com
Wed Apr 12 18:10:30 UTC 2023

Communication is usually manipulation. "I would like you to do this or
that". Any time you are asking someone to do something for you, you are
manipulating them -- getting them to change their actions to better suit
your desires. It's only bad if you're doing it in an unhealthy way.

Communication is rarely informational "This happened" without an implied
desire "this happened (therefore I would like you to do something implied
by this information, such as commiserate, alter your style, help me with
this thing)"

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 1:34 PM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 12/04/2023 14:22, efc at swisscows.email wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat wrote:
> What are you expected to do? lie all the time? Be a fake person?
> I have a feeling that this is a list of the type of persons who are
> attracted to this mailing list maybe?
> Technical/scientific people who work in areas where things work or don't
> work.
> However, I've worked a lot (and am working) in sales and management, so
> I think this is not a binary question. Depending on the situation, and
> what you want to get out of the situation, you can phrase your intent in
> many different ways.
> If I know that someone in my team doesn't react well to direct feedback,
> I try to soften the blow. If someone doesn't get nuances, I give it to
> him straight.
> I don't see that as me "faking" or hiding who I am. I see that as me
> trying to communicate as effectively as possible to get my ideas across.
> Each point is saying 'this, this, this.. on the other hand that that
> that'. So what are we meant to understand from this?
> Not much. I would take with me the message that adapt how you
> communicate depending on the situation and what you would like to get
> out of it.
> Best regards, Daniel
> Thanks, Daniel.
> I do see what you're getting at. For me, this idea of adapting your
> message seems to imply that communication is not about communication as
> such, rather more about manipulation.
> Personally, I balk at that. I know how to be manipulative (to a degree,
> anyway. Can't claim to be an expert!), and I don't like it. I feel it makes
> me a worse person, not a better one, so tend to avoid it. I can't say if
> Honesty is really the best policy, but it's certainly the most honest one,
> and the one that makes me feel good about myself. Constantly manipulating
> people would definitely not do that.
> "Yeah, your bum does look a bit big in that. But I still love you". Come
> on, what is actually wrong with that?
> Ben
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