[ExI] Why stop at glutamate?

Giovanni Santostasi gsantostasi at gmail.com
Fri Apr 14 20:00:22 UTC 2023

Or Gordon repeating GPT-4 has no meaning for the word apple when it came up
by itself in saying we can use the indent of an apple as a way to
distinguish an apple from a pear. Then it draws pears, and bowls (using 2
different ellipses one above the other to give the illusion of a rim), it
knows where to apply the eyes of a person, and hair, it can draw little
cute puppies. Or an AI and human exchanging a brain. All this without any
visual training and relying on the internal representation of these
objects. But Gordon insists on GPT-4 has no understanding as if it was a

On Fri, Apr 14, 2023 at 11:54 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> OK, we've established that Brent believes in 'physical properties' in
> the brain, but can't explain what they are, and that Gordon believes in
> 'referents' for words being physical objects, and can't explain how we
> know what Smaug is.
> We've also established that neither will budge from their position, and
> constantly ignore any attempts to explain logically how those positions
> must be false.
> For all the talk of 'falsifiable hypotheses', there seems to be little
> enthusiasm for abandoning them when they are actually falsified.
> The only end to these arguments will come through exhaustion or boredom.
> I see no possibility of an actual resolution.
> Ben
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