[ExI] e: GPT-4 on its inability to solve the symbol grounding problem

Jason Resch jasonresch at gmail.com
Sun Apr 16 13:16:36 UTC 2023

On Sun, Apr 16, 2023 at 8:12 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 at 13:39, Jason Resch via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > It seems to me that you are putting all your effort into seeing how it
> couldn't be possible rather than putting in all your effort into seeing how
> it could.
> >
> > Think of all the data points and structures available to it to make:
> every word pair and word order frequency, sorted into a list. A high
> dimensional word proximity space, with related words clustered into various
> groups. Words arranged into huge hierarchical tree structures based on
> connections by intermediate words like "is", "of", "has", etc.
> >
> > You'll ask, but how does it get started, I gave you plenty of examples
> in my previous reply and above.
> > Try as an exercise, thinking about how it could work.
> > Spend 10 minutes putting yourself in the shoes of someone in a Korean
> library (with no pictures or translations) given thousands of years to
> figure out what any of the symbols mean.
> >
> > Jason
> > _______________________________________________
> Translating unknown languages is a problem that archaeologists are
> familiar with.
> The script as well as the language can be unknown.
> A Rosetta Stone helps, with the same inscription in three languages.
> But even totally unknown languages like Mayan Glyphs have been translated.
> And computers using AI are now also being used for unknown languages.
> Retrieving meaning from unknown symbols is mostly a solved problem.

Thanks Bill, that's a good confirmation (and far more convincing than my

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