[ExI] communication

Darin Sunley dsunley at gmail.com
Tue Apr 25 16:51:11 UTC 2023

Any non-structured sound or utterance can indeed be meaningful
communication, where the meaning is embedded in the environmental context.

However, a real meaningful threshold was crossed when the primate
linguistic cortex became capable of learning and expressing fully recursive
grammars. That's where language became Turing complete (modulo memory

On Tue, Apr 25, 2023 at 10:13 AM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 25, 2023, 11:13 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Apr 2023 at 15:59, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I just want simple answers, not a  bunch of new terms.
>> > In classical conditionings, when a bell rings, the dog salivates.  Is
>> this communication?  Or symbolic grounding or some such?
>> >
>> > Psychology is the worst at inventing new terms.  Some new sciences are
>> doing it too, making relating to old terms difficult.
>> > IMO, if a stimulus provokes a response, communication has occurred.
>> Sender; medium; reception and response.  Information has occurred,
>> transferred, and caused actions.  Why can't a bell ringing be called a
>> language?  If instead you used saying the word 'bell' as a CS, would that
>> qualify?
>> >
>> > Definitions are very difficult:  you have to say what something is and
>> what it isn't, and how it is similar to but different from other terms.  If
>> we stuck to operational definitions it would greatly simplify things.
>> >
>> > bill w
>> > _______________________________________________
>> Oh, ringing a bell is definitely communication. Especially if you
>> can't speak, through a stroke or fall and need help.
>> The parrots I mentioned earlier were trained to ring a bell when they
>> wanted to make a video call. Their human then brought a tablet with a
>> screen full of parrots waiting for a zoom call. The parrot could then
>> tap on the screen to select his favourite friend and make a call.
>> You don't need words to communicate!
> That's amazing. I just saw this video a cat communicating a complex idea
> to a human:
> https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrZ13GvNrXQ/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
> Jason
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