[ExI] Ben Goertzel on Large Language Models

Gordon Swobe gordon.swobe at gmail.com
Thu Apr 27 19:53:46 UTC 2023

Some of you might know or remember Ben Goerztzel. He is probably on ExI.
Many years ago, I subscribed to his AGI mailing list and still follow him
on facebook and twitter. I'm hardly in the same league with Ben on the
subject of AGI, but I notice that he has some of the same reservations
about LLMs that I have.

He notes the same grounding problem that I have been going on about here
for weeks now:

"LLMs ain't AGI and can't be upgraded into AGI, though they can be
components of AGI systems with real cognitive architectures and
reasoning/grounding ability."

He disagrees that GPT-4 shows the "sparks of AGI" in any meaningful way.

"Looking at how GPT4 works, you'd be crazy to think it could be taught or
improved or extended to be a true human level AGI."

He did a twitter poll and was surprised at how many people disagreed with

"1 ) Well holy fukkazoly, I have to say I'm surprised  by these results.
Yah it's unscientific but ... perplexed that half my self-described AI
expert followers think GPT-n systems w/o big additions could yield HLAGI.
OMG.  Nooo wayyy.  Theory of HLAGI urgently needed."


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