[ExI] Ben Goertzel on Large Language Models

[Darin Sunley]

I don't know what causes phenomenal conscious experience in humans, but
since nothing about a human's phenomenal conscious experience seems to have
anything at all to do with the physical properties of glutamate, calcium
ions, or lipid membranes, I don't see any reason why a computer's
phenomenal conscious experience, if any, wouldn't also have nothing to do
with the physical properties of electrons, semiconductors, voltage
differences, or copper wiring.

To paraphrase Randall Munroe, analogous absences of correlations don't
imply analogous absences of causation, but they do waggle their eyebrows
suggestively and gesture furtively while mouthing ‘look over there.’

On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 6:06 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

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> *…*> *On Behalf Of *Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat
> *Subject:* Re: [ExI] Ben Goertzel on Large Language Models
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> On Thu, Apr 27, 2023 at 4:59 PM Giovanni Santostasi <gsantostasi at gmail.com>
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> Given Goertzel believes that we can reach AGI in a few years would you
> simply concede that when we reach this level of intelligence the AGI would
> be conscious if it behaves like a conscious agent …
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> >…As for whether any AI will have subjective experience -- what I mean by
> consciousness -- I do doubt that, at least on digital computers as we
> understand them today. I certainly do not believe that GPT-4 or any other
> LLM is conscious.
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> Seems we are working back to a question I have posed earlier: are
> consciousness and intelligence separable?  In principle, I don’t see why
> not.  ChatGPT is claiming to be not conscious, but it appears to be
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> I suppose we could ask GPT if it thinks consciousness and intelligence can
> be separated, but it might end up contradicting itself.  Perhaps someone
> already did that experiment.
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