[ExI] Ben Goertzel on Large Language Models

[Giovanni Santostasi]

*It is fundamental and irreducible.*Nothing fundamental or irreducible in
qualia. We have already demonstrated that with the red strawberries
illusions.


On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 11:41 PM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 3:46 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2023, 12:33 AM Gordon Swobe via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Quite by accident, I happened upon this quote of Erwin Schrodinger this
>>> evening.
>>>
>>> "Consciousness cannot be explained in physical terms. Because
>>> consciousness is absolutely fundamental. It cannot be explained in any
>>> other terms."
>>>
>> That is actually what I also hold to be true about consciousness, though
>>> not necessarily for reasons related to quantum mechanics or eastern
>>> philosophy. (Schrodinger is said to have been influenced by
>>> eastern philosophy).
>>>
>>
>> Me too. Its strange then that we disagree regarding AI.
>>
>
> Yes, that is interesting. To be clear, I agree with Schrodinger that
> consciousness cannot be explained in physical terms, but this is not quite
> the same as saying it is immaterial or non-physical. I mean, and I think he
> meant, that it cannot be explained in the third-person objective language
> of physics. I take "absolutely fundamental" to mean irreducible.  I take
> "It cannot be explained in other terms" to mean that the experience itself
> is the only way to understand it. This is also why I try to stay out of the
> endless discussions about what are qualia.
>
> I cannot explain in the language of physics, or in the language of
> computation or of functionalism generally, why I see the red quale when I
> look at an apple. I just do. It is fundamental and irreducible.
>
> -gts
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