[ExI] Islands of trans-humanity

[Darin Sunley]

"Diaspora" and Egan's "Permutation City" should be required reading. For
everyone, really, but especially for this list.

They're both significantly less remote than they used to be.

https://www.amazon.com/Diaspora-Greg-Egan-ebook/dp/B00E83YOEI

On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:46 PM Darin Sunley <dsunley at gmail.com> wrote:

> This fragmentation dynamic is /the/ major theme of Diaspora, by Greg Egan,
> as it affects both biological and digital sentience, human-descended and
> otherwise.
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 3:25 PM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> ChatGPT says that, "one notable example is the works of Peter F.
>> Hamilton, whose sci-fi novels often include humans who have evolved
>> into subspecies, influenced by technology, ideology, and biology." Has
>> anyone read Hamilton's books? Worth the read??
>>
>> -Kelly
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:45 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hmm, I think I've read about something like that, in one or more science
>> > fiction books. Sadly they did not leave enough of an imprint for me to
>> > remember the names of them. And the fact that the divergence was so big
>> as
>> > to have created separate species was not the main plot, but just a
>> > parenthesis.
>> >
>> > As for the fate of humanity, depending on what "go to completion" means,
>> > I'm voting for many, many more centuries and not decades.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:
>> >
>> > > " next few centuries of transhumanism,"
>> > >
>> > > I doubt this.  Whatever the fate of humanity is, it will go to
>> > > completion within decades, not centuries.
>> > >
>> > > Keith
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 1:43 AM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat
>> > > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> I doubt this is a novel train of thought... but...
>> > >>
>> > >> One of the more interesting ways that transhumanism could be "bad" is
>> > >> the idea that over the next few centuries of transhumanism, different
>> > >> "species" of human could rapidly evolve (though not through natural
>> > >> selection, unnaturally) into islands of trans-humans that can no
>> > >> longer interbreed. By creating this rapidly dividing delta in the
>> > >> river of hominid divergence, it could create interesting dynamics of
>> > >> "us" and "them" which could lead to a destructive fragmentation of
>> > >> society.
>> > >>
>> > >> I welcome science fiction along these lines...
>> > >>
>> > >> -Kelly
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