[ExI] Islands of trans-humanity

[Giulio Prisco]

On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 12:49 AM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> "Diaspora" and Egan's "Permutation City" should be required reading. For
> everyone, really, but especially for this list.
>
> They're both significantly less remote than they used to be.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Diaspora-Greg-Egan-ebook/dp/B00E83YOEI
>

Yes, plus everything else by Greg Egan up to and including Zendegi. I
haven't been impressed by Egan's works after Zendegi. I still have to read
his last novel, "Scale."


>
>
> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 4:46 PM Darin Sunley <dsunley at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This fragmentation dynamic is /the/ major theme of Diaspora, by Greg
>> Egan, as it affects both biological and digital sentience, human-descended
>> and otherwise.
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 3:25 PM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ChatGPT says that, "one notable example is the works of Peter F.
>>> Hamilton, whose sci-fi novels often include humans who have evolved
>>> into subspecies, influenced by technology, ideology, and biology." Has
>>> anyone read Hamilton's books? Worth the read??
>>>
>>> -Kelly
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 10:45 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hmm, I think I've read about something like that, in one or more
>>> science
>>> > fiction books. Sadly they did not leave enough of an imprint for me to
>>> > remember the names of them. And the fact that the divergence was so
>>> big as
>>> > to have created separate species was not the main plot, but just a
>>> > parenthesis.
>>> >
>>> > As for the fate of humanity, depending on what "go to completion"
>>> means,
>>> > I'm voting for many, many more centuries and not decades.
>>> >
>>> > Best regards,
>>> > Daniel
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, Keith Henson via extropy-chat wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > " next few centuries of transhumanism,"
>>> > >
>>> > > I doubt this.  Whatever the fate of humanity is, it will go to
>>> > > completion within decades, not centuries.
>>> > >
>>> > > Keith
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Dec 3, 2023 at 1:43 AM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat
>>> > > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I doubt this is a novel train of thought... but...
>>> > >>
>>> > >> One of the more interesting ways that transhumanism could be "bad"
>>> is
>>> > >> the idea that over the next few centuries of transhumanism,
>>> different
>>> > >> "species" of human could rapidly evolve (though not through natural
>>> > >> selection, unnaturally) into islands of trans-humans that can no
>>> > >> longer interbreed. By creating this rapidly dividing delta in the
>>> > >> river of hominid divergence, it could create interesting dynamics of
>>> > >> "us" and "them" which could lead to a destructive fragmentation of
>>> > >> society.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I welcome science fiction along these lines...
>>> > >>
>>> > >> -Kelly
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