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William Flynn Wallace
foozler83 at gmail.com
Sun Dec 31 15:45:00 UTC 2023
Three ways of calculating IQ: compare the raw score to those in the same
age group; compare the raw score to the general population data; compare to
those who are young adults. The IQ will go down each time. bill w
On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:21 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> IQ is supposed to be a relative measure - relative to other people at the
> time the measurement was taken. IQs in 1980 do not correlate 1-to-1 to IQs
> in 2000; those who score 100 in newer tests will, almost without exception,
> score better than 100 if they are given decades-old versions of the test.
>
> So it would be accurate to say that the same measured intelligence is
> reflected by a lower score in more recent years. This does not mean there
> is less intelligence.
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 4:30 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> I heard or read somewhere that some are arguing that IQ overall is
>> dropping. On ther other hand... is it "IQ" or is it just education in
>> general which means that IQ might just as well be unchanged, it is how we
>> use our hardware that is dropping and not the capacity of the hardware
>> itself.
>>
>> Another factor might be a decrease in religiousness? Many
>> "formal" religions encourage children and family values, and when that is
>> replaced by eclectic and personal religion, or atheism/agnosticism (which
>> I have experienced in greater nr when it comes to (in my opinion) high IQ
>> people) that would be another factor (among the others) pushing down the
>> nr of children.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat wrote:
>>
>> > If we're lucky, a universe tiled with conscious simulations of early
>> 21st century humans asking these questions.
>> > If we're not so lucky, a universe tiled with hashes of jpegs of smiling
>> humans.
>> >
>> > Evolution and selection pressures aren't in the driver's seat anymore.
>> There nowhere near enough time remaining for that.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:22 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > So my question is: since more highly talented people have fewer
>> children will the IQ in a sense go down with time? I
>> > sometimes wonder about Jews - higher average than most (but not
>> as high as people think) and their birthrate is low.
>> >
>> > Does it follow that talent in the general population will diminish over
>> time?
>> >
>> > We do know that birth rate goes down when life becomes better: better
>> nutrition, better access to health care, and so on.
>> >
>> > What's the future? bill w
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:37 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:27, William Flynn Wallace via
>> extropy-chat
>> > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > When I first knew this there were no links. So for current
>> opinion I asked Chat gpt3.5
>> > > Chat - high iq people have fewer kids
>> > > ChatGPT
>> > > The relationship between a person's intelligence quotient (IQ)
>> and their family size is a complex and
>> > multifaceted one, and it's influenced by numerous factors
>> including cultural, social, economic, and personal
>> > choices. Here are a few key points to consider:
>> > >
>> > > Educational and career aspirations: Some studies have suggested
>> that individuals with higher IQs may be more
>> > likely to pursue higher education and career goals, which can
>> delay the decision to have children. They may
>> > prioritize their careers and personal development before starting
>> a family.
>> > >
>> > > Socioeconomic factors: Higher IQ is often associated with
>> higher socioeconomic status, and individuals in higher
>> > income brackets tend to have fewer children. This could be due to
>> factors like the cost of raising children and the
>> > desire to maintain a certain lifestyle.
>> > <snip>
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> > I asked Claude AI, and it agreed but pointed out that the effect
>> is
>> > more significant for women.
>> > Claude -
>> > High-IQ women tend to have fewer children than lower-IQ women.
>> > The difference is less consistent for men.
>> > Education levels, which correlate with IQ, also predict fertility.
>> > More educated women tend to have fewer children.
>> > The association is weaker for men.
>> > ---------
>> >
>> > This is implying that increased living standards, women's rights,
>> > education, incomes, etc. may be the fertility deciding factors.
>> > (With some correlation with IQ).
>> >
>> > BillK
>> >
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