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[William Flynn Wallace]

Three ways of calculating IQ:  compare the raw score to those in the same
age group; compare the raw score to the general population data; compare to
those who are young adults. The IQ will go down each time.    bill w


On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:21 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> IQ is supposed to be a relative measure - relative to other people at the
> time the measurement was taken.  IQs in 1980 do not correlate 1-to-1 to IQs
> in 2000; those who score 100 in newer tests will, almost without exception,
> score better than 100 if they are given decades-old versions of the test.
>
> So it would be accurate to say that the same measured intelligence is
> reflected by a lower score in more recent years.  This does not mean there
> is less intelligence.
>
> On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 4:30 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> I heard or read somewhere that some are arguing that IQ overall is
>> dropping. On ther other hand... is it "IQ" or is it just education in
>> general which means that IQ might just as well be unchanged, it is how we
>> use our hardware that is dropping and not the capacity of the hardware
>> itself.
>>
>> Another factor might be a decrease in religiousness? Many
>> "formal" religions encourage children and family values, and when that is
>> replaced by eclectic and personal religion, or atheism/agnosticism (which
>> I have experienced in greater nr when it comes to (in my opinion) high IQ
>> people) that would be another factor (among the others) pushing down the
>> nr of children.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat wrote:
>>
>> > If we're lucky, a universe tiled with conscious simulations of early
>> 21st century humans asking these questions.
>> > If we're not so lucky, a universe tiled with hashes of jpegs of smiling
>> humans.
>> >
>> > Evolution and selection pressures aren't in the driver's seat anymore.
>> There nowhere near enough time remaining for that.
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:22 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >       So my question is:  since more highly talented people have fewer
>> children will the IQ in a sense go down with time?  I
>> >       sometimes wonder about Jews - higher average than most (but not
>> as high as people think) and their birthrate is low.
>> >
>> > Does it follow that talent in the general population will diminish over
>> time?
>> >
>> > We do know that birth rate goes down when life becomes better: better
>> nutrition, better access to health care, and so on.
>> >
>> > What's the future?  bill w
>> >
>> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:37 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >       On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:27, William Flynn Wallace via
>> extropy-chat
>> >       <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> >       >
>> >       > When I first knew this there were no links. So for current
>> opinion I asked Chat gpt3.5
>> >       > Chat - high iq people have fewer kids
>> >       > ChatGPT
>> >       > The relationship between a person's intelligence quotient (IQ)
>> and their family size is a complex and
>> >       multifaceted one, and it's influenced by numerous factors
>> including cultural, social, economic, and personal
>> >       choices. Here are a few key points to consider:
>> >       >
>> >       > Educational and career aspirations: Some studies have suggested
>> that individuals with higher IQs may be more
>> >       likely to pursue higher education and career goals, which can
>> delay the decision to have children. They may
>> >       prioritize their careers and personal development before starting
>> a family.
>> >       >
>> >       > Socioeconomic factors: Higher IQ is often associated with
>> higher socioeconomic status, and individuals in higher
>> >       income brackets tend to have fewer children. This could be due to
>> factors like the cost of raising children and the
>> >       desire to maintain a certain lifestyle.
>> >       <snip>
>> >       > _______________________________________________
>> >
>> >
>> >       I asked Claude AI, and it agreed but pointed out that the effect
>> is
>> >       more significant for women.
>> >       Claude -
>> >       High-IQ women tend to have fewer children than lower-IQ women.
>> >       The difference is less consistent for men.
>> >       Education levels, which correlate with IQ, also predict fertility.
>> >       More educated women tend to have fewer children.
>> >       The association is weaker for men.
>> >       ---------
>> >
>> >       This is implying that increased living standards, women's rights,
>> >       education, incomes, etc. may be the fertility deciding factors.
>> >       (With some correlation with IQ).
>> >
>> >       BillK
>> >
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