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[Adrian Tymes]

IQ is supposed to be a relative measure - relative to other people at the
time the measurement was taken.  IQs in 1980 do not correlate 1-to-1 to IQs
in 2000; those who score 100 in newer tests will, almost without exception,
score better than 100 if they are given decades-old versions of the test.

So it would be accurate to say that the same measured intelligence is
reflected by a lower score in more recent years.  This does not mean there
is less intelligence.

On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 4:30 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I heard or read somewhere that some are arguing that IQ overall is
> dropping. On ther other hand... is it "IQ" or is it just education in
> general which means that IQ might just as well be unchanged, it is how we
> use our hardware that is dropping and not the capacity of the hardware
> itself.
>
> Another factor might be a decrease in religiousness? Many
> "formal" religions encourage children and family values, and when that is
> replaced by eclectic and personal religion, or atheism/agnosticism (which
> I have experienced in greater nr when it comes to (in my opinion) high IQ
> people) that would be another factor (among the others) pushing down the
> nr of children.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> On Sat, 30 Dec 2023, Darin Sunley via extropy-chat wrote:
>
> > If we're lucky, a universe tiled with conscious simulations of early
> 21st century humans asking these questions.
> > If we're not so lucky, a universe tiled with hashes of jpegs of smiling
> humans.
> >
> > Evolution and selection pressures aren't in the driver's seat anymore.
> There nowhere near enough time remaining for that.
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023, 10:22 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >       So my question is:  since more highly talented people have fewer
> children will the IQ in a sense go down with time?  I
> >       sometimes wonder about Jews - higher average than most (but not as
> high as people think) and their birthrate is low.
> >
> > Does it follow that talent in the general population will diminish over
> time?
> >
> > We do know that birth rate goes down when life becomes better: better
> nutrition, better access to health care, and so on.
> >
> > What's the future?  bill w
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 30, 2023 at 8:37 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >       On Sat, 30 Dec 2023 at 13:27, William Flynn Wallace via
> extropy-chat
> >       <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >       >
> >       > When I first knew this there were no links. So for current
> opinion I asked Chat gpt3.5
> >       > Chat - high iq people have fewer kids
> >       > ChatGPT
> >       > The relationship between a person's intelligence quotient (IQ)
> and their family size is a complex and
> >       multifaceted one, and it's influenced by numerous factors
> including cultural, social, economic, and personal
> >       choices. Here are a few key points to consider:
> >       >
> >       > Educational and career aspirations: Some studies have suggested
> that individuals with higher IQs may be more
> >       likely to pursue higher education and career goals, which can
> delay the decision to have children. They may
> >       prioritize their careers and personal development before starting
> a family.
> >       >
> >       > Socioeconomic factors: Higher IQ is often associated with higher
> socioeconomic status, and individuals in higher
> >       income brackets tend to have fewer children. This could be due to
> factors like the cost of raising children and the
> >       desire to maintain a certain lifestyle.
> >       <snip>
> >       > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >       I asked Claude AI, and it agreed but pointed out that the effect is
> >       more significant for women.
> >       Claude -
> >       High-IQ women tend to have fewer children than lower-IQ women.
> >       The difference is less consistent for men.
> >       Education levels, which correlate with IQ, also predict fertility.
> >       More educated women tend to have fewer children.
> >       The association is weaker for men.
> >       ---------
> >
> >       This is implying that increased living standards, women's rights,
> >       education, incomes, etc. may be the fertility deciding factors.
> >       (With some correlation with IQ).
> >
> >       BillK
> >
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