[ExI] Peer review reviewed AND Detecting ChatGPT texts

[Brent Allsop]

I know one thing, I want to create an AI that understands that its
knowledge, especially knowledge of colors, is all abstract, like the word
"red" while our knowledge of red has a redness quality.  The AI can't know
what redness is like, while we do  know, infallibly, what redness is like.
I want the AI to find people that don't understand that, and walk them
through a discussion, and basically teach those concepts, and why it must
be that way.  And then I want it to try to get people motivated to be
curious to know things like which of all our descriptions of stuff in the
brain, is a description of redness.  (i.e. getting people to sign petitions
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia>
and such, saying they want to know that) so experimentalists will
eventually get the message, and finally get motivated to discover what
redness is.  And I want the AI to be motivated to want to find out what
redness is like.  In other words, it first wants to know what redness is,
then it would seek to be endowed with whatever that is, so it, too, could
represent knowledge of red things with redness, instead of just an
abstract word like "red".  Kind of like the way Commander Data, in Star
Trek, wanted to try an "emotion chip" to know what that was like.

To me, that is just plain rational, objective, logical, reasoning,
scientific progress of mankind.  But I guess to most people that would be
an AI, pushing a religion?










On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 9:09 PM Brent Allsop <brent.allsop at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Oh, interesting.  That explains a lot.
>
> Oh, and Spike made a great comment about AI church missionaries.  So does
> that mean an AI will have desires to convert people to particular
> religions, or ways of thinking?
> Man, It's going to be a very different world, very soon.
> Will AI's try to get people with mistaken evil / destructive beliefs (and
> the associated actions) to change?  Or is that all religion?
>
>
>
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> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 3:32 PM Gadersd via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> That isn’t entirely fair to ChatGPT. The system reads in tokens rather
>> than individual characters so ChatGPT doesn’t actually “see" individual
>> characters. Tokens are sometimes whole words or parts of words, but are not
>> usually single letters. Another issue is that ChatGPT is allowed only a
>> finite time window to answer. It doesn’t get to ponder indefinitely as a
>> human would before answering. It may perform better if you give it several
>> iterations.
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 4:05 PM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I’ve heard people warning us about when they start to try to sell us
>> stuff.
>>
>> And we aren’t there yet.  My friend asked it to write a sentence without
>> the letter e.  But it failed, and there were e letters in the sentence.
>> When this was pointed out ChatGPT got more and more obviously mistaken
>> (misspelling words and such) as it tried to justify itself.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 1:57 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org> On Behalf
>>> Of BillK via extropy-chat
>>> ...
>>> ----------------
>>>
>>> >...If ChatGPT is working as the front-end to Bing, there should be
>>> fewer factual errors in the replies that it writes to questions.
>>> In practice, people will begin to treat it as an all-knowing Oracle.
>>> Will the new Bing become a poor man's AGI?
>>> Could politicians ask for economic or wartime advice?
>>> The replies from ChatGPT will always sound very reasonable,
>>> but..........  BillK
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We must somehow figure out how to get ChatGPT to sell stuff for us.  The
>>> sales potential of such a device is mind-numbing.
>>>
>>> spike
>>>
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