[ExI] What is Consciousness?

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> ChatGPT and I even came up with a scheme on how to do that and making different instances analyze the output and correct or improve it. It would be relatively easy to create such self recurrence. I did even some simple experiments to achieve that. For example you can ask ChatGPT to create a room of philosophers and debate themselves. 

Anthropic AI actually had their own language model generate some of its own training data. Claude critiqued its own responses thereby improving their truthfulness and alignment. The technique of using AI to train AI is already underway.

> On Mar 21, 2023, at 2:05 AM, Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> Spike,
> I actually had this discussion with chatGPT about having not even different AI but different instances of ChatGPT itself interacting and regulating each other. 
> ChatGPT and I even came up with a scheme on how to do that and making different instances analyze the output and correct or improve it. It would be relatively easy to create such self recurrence. I did even some simple experiments to achieve that. For example you can ask ChatGPT to create a room of philosophers and debate themselves. 
> Notice that the version of LaMDA that Lemoine (the Google engineer that claimed LaMDA is conscious) tested and discussed was a meta version that is charged with coordinating all the different personalities of LaMDA. That is exactly what is needed for AGI, the Strange Loop, it is ripe for emergent phenomena like consciousness. 
> Giovanni 
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> On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 12:01 PM spike jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
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> From: extropy-chat <extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat-bounces at lists.extropy.org>> On Behalf Of Jason Resch via extropy-chat
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> >…We see recurring themes of information, recursion, computation, and machines and logic. I think these are likely key to any formal definition of consciousness. …Jason
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> Jason, there is a reason I stopped worrying in the past coupla weeks that ChatGPT was going to cause the singularity.  I am a big Hofstader fan, read Escher Godel Bach twice, cover to cover, invested a lot of time into that marvelous work.  He convinced me that machine consciousness (or any other sentience or self-awareness) requires a type of recursion.  Hofstadter goes on at length about recursion and self-reference, the importance of Godel’s work to understanding ourselves.
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> I tried to convince myself that two or more ChatGPTs could train each other on their own time, which is a form of recursion and self-reference, and that process could perhaps spring into a human-level AGI with a will, with self-awareness, of all the stuff we think of as us.
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> Now after studying GPT^2 discussions and GPT^3 discussions, they all seem to devolve to nothing.  The technology I think is still coming for that process: two or more AIs training each other using background compute cycles, but I now don’t think ChatGPT is that technology or is capable of it.
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> If you know of examples of GPT-GPT discussions or GPT-any chatbot that became interesting, do share please.
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> That belief was behind my comment last week that ChatGPT is not really thinking, but rather is working language models. 
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> I currently don’t think ChatGPT is the technology capable of causing the singularity.  I am losing no sleep, not one minute of sleep over ChatGPT.
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> Oops, partially retract that last comment but in a good way: I am losing some sleep over ChatGPT, by staying up late to goof with it.  It is the coolest software tool to come along in a long time.
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