[ExI] What is Consciousness?

[Brent Allsop]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 8:13 PM Rafal Smigrodzki via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:29 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:34 AM Giovanni Santostasi via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>> The entire idea of qualia is ridiculous
>>>
>>
>> OK, then.  Answer me this,  What is it that has the redness quality in
>> your brain, when you look at this?
>> [image: red.png]
>> Nobody knows that yet.
>>
>
> ### But Brent, neuroscientists have known that for decades. The color
> rosettes in the fusiform gyrus code for this quality, they are the neural
> implementation of basic color recognition, with additional higher level
> processing in the angular gyrus and other areas.
>
> We know color.
>

You don't see any problems in what you are saying here?

For example, what, exactly, do you mean by "code for this quality"?

This is just a circular definition that never actually gets to any
definition.

I see no evidence that anyone on this list understands what a quality is.
Only saying something circular like anything can "code for this quality" to
me, proves you don't know what a quality is.
Can anyone give a better (non circular) definition of a quality?

A "code" for a quality, is something different than that quality.

A physical greenness quality, or a physical +5 volts, or a physical pit on
a paper tape, or a word 'red' can all "code" for a redness quality, but
only if you have a dictionary, which tells you that something that is not a
redness quality represents redness.

Redness is a physical fact.   A "code" representing that physical fact, is
not the physical fact.  You need a dictionary to 'decode' the 'code' back
to the physical redness quality.

But, again, nobody here seems to understand what that redness quality is,
other than a circular definition (not a definition) like:  "a code for
redness"?
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