[ExI] What is "Elemental Redness"?

[Gadersd]

>  I'm glad at least one person can understand what I've been trying to figure out how to say,since back in the 90s.
> Coming up with the model of how qualia might work was the easy part.  Learning how to communicate it to everyone is a gazillion times harder.

I think you have “communicating” and “convincing” confused. I am confident that most members on the list understand what your theory is. The problem is that we just don’t find it convincing.

> On May 1, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> Yay, Will's got it!!
> Thanks Will.  I'm glad at least one person can understand what I've been trying to figure out how to say,since back in the 90s.
> Coming up with the model of how qualia might work was the easy part.  Learning how to communicate it to everyone is a gazillion times harder.
> 
> So does that mean you would agree with a definition of consciousness to be something like "computationally bound elemental qualities?"
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> Could you concisely describe your model of consciousness, or the way you think about it?
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> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 6:39 AM Will Steinberg via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
> It means, I think, "the conformation of physical reality that produces the red quale, on the layer of physical reality that is responsible for qualia"
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> On Mon, May 1, 2023, 5:09 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org <mailto:extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>> wrote:
> I have a question:
> 
> Can someone please explain, in simple terms, what the phrase "Elemental 
> Redness" actually means?
> 
> Preferably not Brent (sorry, Brent, but it's just that I never 
> understand what you're saying, so an explanation from you would be 
> useless to me. Unless, of course, you can drop the jargon for once and 
> just use plain old english, but I think that's unlikely).
> 
> The reason I ask is that it seems to mean different things to different 
> people, and it doesn't mean anything to me.
> 
> Ben
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