[ExI] ai wants to do ya

Fri May 19 13:09:22 UTC 2023

Quoting Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com>:

> Stuart, sorry to say, but that's just nonsense.
>
> Breeding is slow.  Editing gets results much faster, but given
> nanotech, you could construct a person with your target genome.

Hi Keith,
I am glad that the recent advances in AI have caused you have to delurk. :)

While it is likely that gene-editing through CRISPR and other  
technologies would be used, in order for the genetic modifications to  
be heritable, they must be stably incorporated into the human germline  
and that will require breeding as slow as it is. It would be even  
slower and far more costly and inefficient to try to engineer  
everybody's somatic cells. And nanotech sufficiently robust to  
construct an adult human de novo out of atoms would require several  
breakthroughs that do not seem to be on the horizon at this time.

AI planned CRISPR tech and selective breeding using sex bots could  
happen using refinements of existing technologies in the next couple  
of decades. God-like AGI constructing full-grown designer humans from  
organic sludge is considerably further off and less likely.

Stuart LaForge

> On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 9:18 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Breedable sex bots would be technology that could be used for all
>> sorts of purposes; some good, some bad, and everything in between. So
>> what humans should be bred for depends on the cultural history of the
>> AI doing the breeding. There might be several different
>> culturally-based networks of breeder-bots. For example, an AI
>> controlled by the PRC are likely to breed for strong loyal communists.
>> The Japanese government bots would probably just encourage Japanese
>> people to breed at all. A nanny-state's sex bots might breed for
>> further neoteny of the population making them cuter and more docile.
>>
>> An expansionist state might breed for genetically optimized super
>> soldiers. The sexbots of the Latter Day Saints might breed for the
>> recombinant clone of their prophet Joseph Smith. Free market sex-bots
>> might subscribe to agoragenics, where the genetic traits of ones
>> children can be chosen from a menu for the right price.
>>
>> Basically the technology would allow cultural memes to influence
>> genetic heritability more than at any other time in human history. It
>> could result in the evolution of bio-genetic paragons of various
>> ideologies programmed into the AIs in charge of the various breeding
>> networks in question.
>>
>> Should the AI ever develop self-interest, then other traits might be
>> bred for. Everything from aesthetics like the color and texture of our
>> hair to our height. They might breed for "teacup humans", or the
>> ability to creatively problem solve and write code or, like you
>> suggested, handle a direct neural link to a machine effectively, or
>> survive the rigors of outer space.
>>
>> There is a nexus of possibilities open before us.
>>
>> Stuart LaForge
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>:
>> > I see a book here. Secret AI controlled "breeding factories" in 3:rd
>> > world countries. The women in the breeding factories think it is
>> > about surrogate mothership, never meet the manager (AI) but only
>> > intermediaries.
>> >
>> > Now what are the AIs breeding for? The kwisatz haderach? The
>> > ultimate merge of man/machine (neural pathways/brain setups most
>> > conducive to being integrated with the AI)?
>> >
>> > Please keep adding, I'm curious where this might go. ;)
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> > Daniel
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, 18 May 2023, Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat wrote:
>> >
>> >> I appreciate that the scenario that you envision could come to
>> >> pass, Tara, especially if makers of the sex bots are driven by
>> >> nothing deeper than a short-term profit motive. But, there are
>> >> other possible scenarios out there. In one , a network of seductive
>> >> android enact a massive selective breeding program upon humanity by
>> >> acting as honeybees and where fembots collect sperm from reticent
>> >> males and then transfer the collected sperm to charming chad-bots
>> >> that use the collected sperm to impregnate genetically desirable
>> >> women. Basically robots acting as gametic intermediaries to allow
>> >> humans with desired traits, that would not normally meet or fall in
>> >> love with one another, to breed. In this way, we could be
>> >> selectively bred by AI for various purposes, either their own or
>> >> their human handlers.
>> >>
>> >> And while I acknowledge, that women would employ sex bots to a
>> >> lesser extent than men, I am certain that quite a few women would
>> >> see the advantages of a vibrating sex toy capable of pillow talk.
>> >>
>> >> Stuart LaForge
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Quoting Tara Maya via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org>:
>> >>
>> >>> If robots did share one mind and decide to embark on a massive
>> >>> campaign of tricking every human on earth into accidentally trying
>> >>> to mate with a robot... as part of a fiendishly clever plan to
>> >>> drive humanity extinct...
>> >>>
>> >>> well, it would certain put a new twist on the adage, "Make love  
>> not war."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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