[ExI] Culture war and universal values in the age of spiritual machines
Jason Resch
jasonresch at gmail.com
Sun Nov 26 21:29:41 UTC 2023
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023, 3:42 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> I think that thought has occupied quite a few philosopher. I think the
> fashionable thing in philosophy is the "platinum rule". But I could be
> wrong.
>
I think this is an inter and novel take:
https://philarchive.org/rec/ARNMAW
Zuboff argues that the most correct action is what one would do if one has
perfect and complete knowledge, and this knowledge would contain the
knowledge of what it's like to be all the affected individual beings points
of view, hence morality would then be conceived as a reconciliation of all
desires of all conscious beings.
Jason
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace wrote:
>
> >
> > I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath
> > defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering
> > about collapsing some of them into the others. daniel
> > This sounds like a multiple regression type problem. Why not let some
> AI parse this one? Maybe everything on the list will collapse
> > into the Golden Rule. bill w
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Daniel
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:53 PM <efc at swisscows.email> wrote:
> > Another interesting question is if some of those values can be
> collapsed
> > into others.
> >
> > I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery
> underneath
> > defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm
> wondering
> > about collapsing some of them into the others.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:
> >
> > > Saving this! THis is great - thanks Stuart.
> > >
> > > Commentary by S. Freud:
> > >
> > > The law to love your enemies is the most impossible thing to
> follow in any religion.
> > >
> > > bill w
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:13 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > > This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing it.
> > > Jason
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:41 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> > > I asked ChatGPT what set of moral values lay at the
> intersection of the
> > > sets of all values espoused by the major religions of the
> world with
> > > explicit references to their sacred texts. This was its
> answer and its
> > > answer gave me hope that AI can help end the culture wars.
> So here are
> > > the Five Moral Imperatives shared by the world's major
> religions:
> > >
> > > The Golden Rule and Reciprocity:
> > >
> > > Christianity: "So in everything, do to others what you
> would have them
> > > do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets."
> (Matthew 7:12,
> > > New Testament)
> > > Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow
> man. This is
> > > the law: all the rest is commentary." (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
> > > Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for
> his brother
> > > what he wishes for himself." (Hadith of Prophet Muhammad,
> Bukhari and
> > > Muslim)
> > > Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others
> what would cause
> > > pain if done to you." (Mahabharata 5:1517)
> > > Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would
> find
> > > hurtful." (Udana-Varga 5.18)
> > > Sikhism: "As you deem yourself, deem others as well; only
> then you shall
> > > become a partner in heaven." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
> > >
> > > Compassion and Love:
> > >
> > > Christianity: "A new command I give you: Love one another.
> As I have
> > > loved you, so you must love one another." (John 13:34, New
> Testament)
> > > Judaism: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Leviticus
> 19:18, Torah)
> > > Islam: "And lower to them the wing of humility out of
> mercy and say, 'My
> > > Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I
> was] small.'"
> > > (Quran 17:24)
> > > Hinduism: "The whole world is full of God's glory; serve
> all beings as
> > > God." (Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda 115.33)
> > > Buddhism: "Radiate boundless love towards the entire
> world." (Buddha,
> > > Sutta Nipata 149-150)
> > > Sikhism: "One who recognizes the One Lord among all beings
> does not talk
> > > of ego." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 99)
> > >
> > > Justice and Fairness:
> > >
> > > Christianity: "Do not pervert justice; do not show
> partiality to the
> > > poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor
> fairly."
> > > (Leviticus 19:15, Torah)
> > > Judaism: "Justice, justice shall you pursue." (Deuteronomy
> 16:20, Torah)
> > > Islam: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing
> firm in
> > > justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against
> yourselves or
> > > parents and relatives." (Quran 4:135)
> > > Hinduism: "Justice, when it is corrupted, destroys; but
> when it is
> > > upheld, it upholds the world." (Mahabharata 12.131.6)
> > > Buddhism: "Conquer the angry man by love; conquer the
> ill-natured man by
> > > goodness; conquer the miser with generosity; conquer the
> liar with
> > > truth." (Dhammapada 223)
> > > Sikhism: "Justice is the mint, courage the brave coin.
> When the coin of
> > > justice is made, it is tested by courage." (Guru Granth
> Sahib, Ang 1088)
> > >
> > > Charity and Generosity:
> > >
> > > Christianity: "Sell your possessions and give to the poor.
> Provide
> > > purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure
> in heaven that
> > > will never fail." (Luke 12:33, New Testament)
> > > Judaism: "Do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward
> your poor
> > > brother." (Deuteronomy 15:7, Torah)
> > > Islam: "The example of those who spend their wealth in the
> Way of Allah
> > > is like that of a grain that sprouts seven ears, and in
> every ear there
> > > are a hundred grains." (Quran 2:261)
> > > Hinduism: "The hands that help are holier than the lips
> that pray."
> > > (Yajur Veda)
> > > Buddhism: "If beings knew, as I know, the result of giving
> and sharing,
> > > they would not eat without having given." (Itivuttaka 26)
> > > Sikhism: "Serve the True Guru, and you shall obtain the
> fruits of your
> > > heart's desires." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
> > >
> > > Truth and Honesty:
> > >
> > > Christianity: "Therefore each of you must put off
> falsehood and speak
> > > truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one
> body."
> > > (Ephesians 4:25, New Testament)
> > > Judaism: "You shall not bear false witness against your
> neighbor."
> > > (Exodus 20:16, Torah)
> > > Islam: "O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with
> those who are
> > > true." (Quran 9:119)
> > > Hinduism: "The truth which satisfies the heart is true."
> (Mahabharata
> > > 5:124.9)
> > > Buddhism: "In speech that is gentle, truthful, and
> beneficial, one
> > > should address others." (Anguttara Nikaya 10.176)
> > > Sikhism: "Truth is the trade of the Guru's children;
> practice truth in
> > > your mind." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 471)
> > >
> > > As a human being, I am deeply moved by this and hopeful
> for a bright
> > > future where men and machines explore the galaxy together.
> > >
> > > Stuart LaForge
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