[ExI] Culture war and universal values in the age of spiritual machines

efc at swisscows.email efc at swisscows.email
Sun Nov 26 20:41:21 UTC 2023


I think that thought has occupied quite a few philosopher. I think the 
fashionable thing in philosophy is the "platinum rule". But I could be 
wrong.

Best regards,
Daniel


On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace wrote:

> 
> I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath
> defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering
> about collapsing some of them into the others.  daniel
> This sounds like a multiple regression type problem.  Why not let some AI parse this one?  Maybe everything on the list will collapse
> into the Golden Rule.   bill w
> 
> Best regards,
> Daniel
> 
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:53 PM <efc at swisscows.email> wrote:
>       Another interesting question is if some of those values can be collapsed
>       into others.
>
>       I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath
>       defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering
>       about collapsing some of them into the others.
>
>       Best regards,
>       Daniel
> 
>
>       On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:
>
>       > Saving this!  THis is great - thanks Stuart.
>       >
>       > Commentary by S. Freud:
>       >
>       > The law to love your enemies is the most impossible thing to follow in any religion. 
>       >
>       > bill w
>       >
>       > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:13 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       >       This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing it.
>       > Jason
>       >
>       > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:41 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       >       I asked ChatGPT what set of moral values lay at the intersection of the
>       >       sets of all values espoused by the major religions of the world with
>       >       explicit references to their sacred texts. This was its answer and its
>       >       answer gave me hope that AI can help end the culture wars. So here are
>       >       the Five Moral Imperatives shared by the world's major religions:
>       >
>       >       The Golden Rule and Reciprocity:
>       >
>       >       Christianity: "So in everything, do to others what you would have them
>       >       do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12,
>       >       New Testament)
>       >       Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man. This is
>       >       the law: all the rest is commentary." (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
>       >       Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his brother
>       >       what he wishes for himself." (Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, Bukhari and
>       >       Muslim)
>       >       Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what would cause
>       >       pain if done to you." (Mahabharata 5:1517)
>       >       Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find
>       >       hurtful." (Udana-Varga 5.18)
>       >       Sikhism: "As you deem yourself, deem others as well; only then you shall
>       >       become a partner in heaven." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
>       >
>       >       Compassion and Love:
>       >
>       >       Christianity: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have
>       >       loved you, so you must love one another." (John 13:34, New Testament)
>       >       Judaism: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Leviticus 19:18, Torah)
>       >       Islam: "And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and say, 'My
>       >       Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was] small.'"
>       >       (Quran 17:24)
>       >       Hinduism: "The whole world is full of God's glory; serve all beings as
>       >       God." (Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda 115.33)
>       >       Buddhism: "Radiate boundless love towards the entire world." (Buddha,
>       >       Sutta Nipata 149-150)
>       >       Sikhism: "One who recognizes the One Lord among all beings does not talk
>       >       of ego." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 99)
>       >
>       >       Justice and Fairness:
>       >
>       >       Christianity: "Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the
>       >       poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."
>       >       (Leviticus 19:15, Torah)
>       >       Judaism: "Justice, justice shall you pursue." (Deuteronomy 16:20, Torah)
>       >       Islam: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in
>       >       justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or
>       >       parents and relatives." (Quran 4:135)
>       >       Hinduism: "Justice, when it is corrupted, destroys; but when it is
>       >       upheld, it upholds the world." (Mahabharata 12.131.6)
>       >       Buddhism: "Conquer the angry man by love; conquer the ill-natured man by
>       >       goodness; conquer the miser with generosity; conquer the liar with
>       >       truth." (Dhammapada 223)
>       >       Sikhism: "Justice is the mint, courage the brave coin. When the coin of
>       >       justice is made, it is tested by courage." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1088)
>       >
>       >       Charity and Generosity:
>       >
>       >       Christianity: "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide
>       >       purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that
>       >       will never fail." (Luke 12:33, New Testament)
>       >       Judaism: "Do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your poor
>       >       brother." (Deuteronomy 15:7, Torah)
>       >       Islam: "The example of those who spend their wealth in the Way of Allah
>       >       is like that of a grain that sprouts seven ears, and in every ear there
>       >       are a hundred grains." (Quran 2:261)
>       >       Hinduism: "The hands that help are holier than the lips that pray."
>       >       (Yajur Veda)
>       >       Buddhism: "If beings knew, as I know, the result of giving and sharing,
>       >       they would not eat without having given." (Itivuttaka 26)
>       >       Sikhism: "Serve the True Guru, and you shall obtain the fruits of your
>       >       heart's desires." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
>       >
>       >       Truth and Honesty:
>       >
>       >       Christianity: "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak
>       >       truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body."
>       >       (Ephesians 4:25, New Testament)
>       >       Judaism: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
>       >       (Exodus 20:16, Torah)
>       >       Islam: "O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who are
>       >       true." (Quran 9:119)
>       >       Hinduism: "The truth which satisfies the heart is true." (Mahabharata
>       >       5:124.9)
>       >       Buddhism: "In speech that is gentle, truthful, and beneficial, one
>       >       should address others." (Anguttara Nikaya 10.176)
>       >       Sikhism: "Truth is the trade of the Guru's children; practice truth in
>       >       your mind." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 471)
>       >
>       >       As a human being, I am deeply moved by this and hopeful for a bright
>       >       future where men and machines explore the galaxy together.
>       >
>       >       Stuart LaForge
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