[ExI] Culture war and universal values in the age of spiritual machines
Brent Allsop
brent.allsop at gmail.com
Sun Nov 26 20:14:05 UTC 2023
Yes, all great. Thanks.
I think most everything can collapse to the platinum rule which supports
infinite diversity:
Do unto others as THEY want done.
On Sun, Nov 26, 2023, 12:24 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath
> defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering
> about collapsing some of them into the others. daniel
> This sounds like a multiple regression type problem. Why not let some AI
> parse this one? Maybe everything on the list will collapse into the Golden
> Rule. bill w
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
> On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:53 PM <efc at swisscows.email> wrote:
>
>> Another interesting question is if some of those values can be collapsed
>> into others.
>>
>> I'm not a fan of the concept "justice" without the machinery underneath
>> defined. Otherwise it is just an empty term. So that's why I'm wondering
>> about collapsing some of them into the others.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2023, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat wrote:
>>
>> > Saving this! THis is great - thanks Stuart.
>> >
>> > Commentary by S. Freud:
>> >
>> > The law to love your enemies is the most impossible thing to follow in
>> any religion.
>> >
>> > bill w
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:13 PM Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > This is wonderful. Thank you for sharing it.
>> > Jason
>> >
>> > On Sun, Nov 26, 2023 at 12:41 PM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > I asked ChatGPT what set of moral values lay at the intersection
>> of the
>> > sets of all values espoused by the major religions of the world
>> with
>> > explicit references to their sacred texts. This was its answer
>> and its
>> > answer gave me hope that AI can help end the culture wars. So
>> here are
>> > the Five Moral Imperatives shared by the world's major religions:
>> >
>> > The Golden Rule and Reciprocity:
>> >
>> > Christianity: "So in everything, do to others what you would have
>> them
>> > do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew
>> 7:12,
>> > New Testament)
>> > Judaism: "What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow man.
>> This is
>> > the law: all the rest is commentary." (Talmud, Shabbat 31a)
>> > Islam: "None of you [truly] believes until he wishes for his
>> brother
>> > what he wishes for himself." (Hadith of Prophet Muhammad, Bukhari
>> and
>> > Muslim)
>> > Hinduism: "This is the sum of duty: do not do to others what
>> would cause
>> > pain if done to you." (Mahabharata 5:1517)
>> > Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find
>> > hurtful." (Udana-Varga 5.18)
>> > Sikhism: "As you deem yourself, deem others as well; only then
>> you shall
>> > become a partner in heaven." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
>> >
>> > Compassion and Love:
>> >
>> > Christianity: "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I
>> have
>> > loved you, so you must love one another." (John 13:34, New
>> Testament)
>> > Judaism: "Love your neighbor as yourself." (Leviticus 19:18,
>> Torah)
>> > Islam: "And lower to them the wing of humility out of mercy and
>> say, 'My
>> > Lord, have mercy upon them as they brought me up [when I was]
>> small.'"
>> > (Quran 17:24)
>> > Hinduism: "The whole world is full of God's glory; serve all
>> beings as
>> > God." (Ramayana, Yuddha Kanda 115.33)
>> > Buddhism: "Radiate boundless love towards the entire world."
>> (Buddha,
>> > Sutta Nipata 149-150)
>> > Sikhism: "One who recognizes the One Lord among all beings does
>> not talk
>> > of ego." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 99)
>> >
>> > Justice and Fairness:
>> >
>> > Christianity: "Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to
>> the
>> > poor or favoritism to the great, but judge your neighbor fairly."
>> > (Leviticus 19:15, Torah)
>> > Judaism: "Justice, justice shall you pursue." (Deuteronomy 16:20,
>> Torah)
>> > Islam: "O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm in
>> > justice, witnesses for Allah, even if it be against yourselves or
>> > parents and relatives." (Quran 4:135)
>> > Hinduism: "Justice, when it is corrupted, destroys; but when it is
>> > upheld, it upholds the world." (Mahabharata 12.131.6)
>> > Buddhism: "Conquer the angry man by love; conquer the ill-natured
>> man by
>> > goodness; conquer the miser with generosity; conquer the liar with
>> > truth." (Dhammapada 223)
>> > Sikhism: "Justice is the mint, courage the brave coin. When the
>> coin of
>> > justice is made, it is tested by courage." (Guru Granth Sahib,
>> Ang 1088)
>> >
>> > Charity and Generosity:
>> >
>> > Christianity: "Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide
>> > purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in
>> heaven that
>> > will never fail." (Luke 12:33, New Testament)
>> > Judaism: "Do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your poor
>> > brother." (Deuteronomy 15:7, Torah)
>> > Islam: "The example of those who spend their wealth in the Way of
>> Allah
>> > is like that of a grain that sprouts seven ears, and in every ear
>> there
>> > are a hundred grains." (Quran 2:261)
>> > Hinduism: "The hands that help are holier than the lips that
>> pray."
>> > (Yajur Veda)
>> > Buddhism: "If beings knew, as I know, the result of giving and
>> sharing,
>> > they would not eat without having given." (Itivuttaka 26)
>> > Sikhism: "Serve the True Guru, and you shall obtain the fruits of
>> your
>> > heart's desires." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 1299)
>> >
>> > Truth and Honesty:
>> >
>> > Christianity: "Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and
>> speak
>> > truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body."
>> > (Ephesians 4:25, New Testament)
>> > Judaism: "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor."
>> > (Exodus 20:16, Torah)
>> > Islam: "O you who have believed, fear Allah and be with those who
>> are
>> > true." (Quran 9:119)
>> > Hinduism: "The truth which satisfies the heart is true."
>> (Mahabharata
>> > 5:124.9)
>> > Buddhism: "In speech that is gentle, truthful, and beneficial, one
>> > should address others." (Anguttara Nikaya 10.176)
>> > Sikhism: "Truth is the trade of the Guru's children; practice
>> truth in
>> > your mind." (Guru Granth Sahib, Ang 471)
>> >
>> > As a human being, I am deeply moved by this and hopeful for a
>> bright
>> > future where men and machines explore the galaxy together.
>> >
>> > Stuart LaForge
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > extropy-chat mailing list
>> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>> > http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > extropy-chat mailing list
>> > extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
>> > http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> extropy-chat mailing list
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org
> http://lists.extropy.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/attachments/20231126/9f3f0288/attachment-0001.htm>
More information about the extropy-chat
mailing list