[ExI] Are transhumanists becoming the bad guys?

efc at swisscows.email efc at swisscows.email
Thu Nov 30 21:34:21 UTC 2023

Hello Natasha,

Would you call yourself an agnostic?

Best regards,

On Thu, 30 Nov 2023, Natasha natashavita-more.com via extropy-chat wrote:

> I have to disagree. I am not and never have been an atheist. The reason is that I do not know what a God could be if the religious
> dogma were not present.  I do not agree with religious groups and their self-absorbed entitlement to what they think of as their God.
> However, outside of this I have no idea what God could really be.
> So, I do not respect religious dogma formed by religious worshiping, but I do not claim there is absolutely and unequivocally no
> semblance of what God could be. I do not know what c9onsciousness is either.
> Natasha
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 3:50 PM
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> Cc: Darin Sunley <dsunley at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [ExI] Are transhumanists becoming the bad guys?  
> We have been in for some time, and are heading into, an extended period of massive societal change and economic uncertainty. Per
> Keith Henson, this triggers a deep-seated gene complex that turns people unreasonably xenophobic. Any group radically different from
> one's own becomes intrinsically suspect just on general principles.
> I've been active on this list and other transhumanist-adjacent circles since the mid-90s. And even with the general principles set
> aside, some of the substance of those complaints is, broadly speaking, true. Transhumanists are still, and really always have been,
> at best, mildly hostile to traditional conceptions of spirituality and religion. The Venn diagram between transhumanism and New
> Atheism in the 90's was almost a pair of concentric circles. Not all online atheists were transhumanists, but virtually all
> transhumanists were atheist, frequently aggressively so.
> On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 3:37 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>       Hello list,
>       The other day I was listening to a conspiracy pod and all of a sudden, I
>       heard a medium talk about how the transhumanists want to
>       eradicate all spiritual values and merge humanity with the machine.
>       In my own home cooked transhumanist version, transhumanists are
>       optimistic, life affirming people who are solving problems with
>       science and technology.
>       So when did transhumanists start to become the bad guys in conspiracy
>       circles? Did anyone of you encounter this in real life or in
>       virtual life?
>       Curious shift in narrative that completely passed me by and caught me by
>       surprise.
>       Best regards,
>       Daniel
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