[ExI] Survival of the nicest: have we got evolution the wrong way round?

[Adrian Tymes]

On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 12:22 PM Dave S via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 9th, 2024 at 1:24 PM, Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 5:30 AM Dave S via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Libertarians aren't opposed to voluntary cooperation.
>>
>
> Except in practice when:
>
> 1) Other people need them to cooperate in order for the other people to
> survive, but they'd be just fine in the short term not cooperating, so how
> dare these other people resort to force, or
>
>
> That doesn't sound like voluntary cooperation, it sounds like "do this or
> we'll force you to do it".
>

I noted it as an exce;tion, yes.

> 2) Other people refuse to voluntarily cooperate with them on things they
> need others' cooperation on in order to survive, which - being a threat to
> their survival - justifies their use of force upon others.
>
>
> That violates the nonaggression principle, so not libertarian.
>

As noted, this is another exception.


> Of course, if it comes down to survival, people will likely violate their
> principles.
>

If there are cases where people will predictably violate their principles,
and it is reasonably expected for people proposing principles to predict
and cover these situations, the principles aren't really that solid if they
don't cover these situations.
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