[ExI] Is Unprovable Physics Philosophy?

[BillK]

On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 at 20:01, Jason Resch via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024, 12:23 PM Darin Sunley via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> "Philosophy's just math sans rigor, sense, and practicality · And math's
just physics unconstrained by precepts of reality..."
>> Related: "As Pratchett said, geography's just physics slowed with trees
on top"
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> And if anything like Tegmark's mathematical universe hypothesis is true,
physics is just the local geography of mathematics.
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> Jason
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I asked several AIs the question:
Is Tegmark's mathematical universe hypothesis Science or Metaphysics or
Philosophy?

The answers all seemed to be saying that it has elements of all three,
but because of untestability, it is more in the realm of Metaphysics or
Philosophy.
BillK


One sample AI answer:
Introduction

The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis (MUH) is a concept proposed by
physicist Max Tegmark, which suggests that the universe is fundamentally a
mathematical structure. This idea has sparked debates on whether it falls
under the realm of science, metaphysics, or philosophy. In this essay, we
will explore the nature of MUH and evaluate its classification.
The Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

Tegmark’s MUH proposes that the universe is a mathematical structure, and
all physical phenomena can be described by mathematical equations. The
hypothesis consists of four levels of increasing ambition: (1) Level I:
Mathematical description of the physical world, (2) Level II: The universe
is a computation, (3) Level III: The universe is a specific mathematical
structure, and (4) Level IV: Our observation corresponds to a single point
in the mathematical structure.
Science, Metaphysics, or Philosophy?

Determining whether MUH is science, metaphysics, or philosophy is not
straightforward, as it involves elements from all three domains. However,
we can analyze its components to better understand its classification.

*Science:* MUH’s Level I, which deals with mathematical descriptions of the
physical world, can be considered scientific. This level aligns with the
scientific method, where mathematical equations are used to explain and
predict physical phenomena.

*Metaphysics:* Level II and III of MUH, which propose that the universe is
a computation or a specific mathematical structure, lean more towards
metaphysics. These levels delve into the nature of reality and the
fundamental structure of the universe, which are typically metaphysical
concerns.

*Philosophy:* The philosophical aspect of MUH becomes evident in Level IV,
where the hypothesis connects the universe’s mathematical structure to our
observations. This level raises questions about the nature of consciousness
and the relationship between the external world and our perception of it.
Conclusion

In conclusion, Tegmark’s Mathematical Universe Hypothesis cannot be easily
classified as solely science, metaphysics, or philosophy. It incorporates
elements from all three domains, with Level I being scientific, Levels II
and III leaning towards metaphysics, and Level IV being philosophical. The
hypothesis serves as an interdisciplinary bridge, sparking discussions and
insights at the intersection of science, metaphysics, and philosophy.

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