[ExI] Open Individualism
Jason Resch
jasonresch at gmail.com
Thu Jan 4 17:14:07 UTC 2024
On Thu, Jan 4, 2024, 11:54 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> Open individualism, given that description, would seem to be trivially
> refutable by noting the degree of misunderstanding that commonly arises
> between individuals raised in very different circumstances in very
> different cultures.
>
> If all humans had shared awareness, it would also not be possible to keep
> secrets - not just at the level of, e.g., what is my password, but for
> another human being to have no concept of passwords or user accounts.
>
That's not what open individualism means. It is not omniscience, it is the
shared identity of personhood.
Consider the difference between saying "all of Adrian Tymes's experiences
are had by Adrian Tymes", and contrast that with "Adrian Tymes
simultaneously knows and perceives every moment of his life." /
These are two quite different statements. Open individualism doesn't mean
each of us knows everything, it is better though of as the former case,
where we say which experiences are had by one particular person. In the
case of open individualism, the answer is all experiences.
Jason
> On Thu, Jan 4, 2024 at 8:30 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Let's see what an AI thinks about Open Individualism.
>> It reminds me of bits of Buddhism that I've heard about.
>> BillK
>>
>> Explain Open Individualism -
>>
>> Open individualism is a philosophical position that challenges the
>> traditional notion of personal identity as being tied to a specific
>> individual. According to open individualism, there is only one
>> conscious subject or entity that experiences all individual lives or
>> perspectives.
>>
>> In other words, open individualism posits that all individuals are
>> fundamentally connected at the level of consciousness. From this
>> perspective, you and I are not separate individuals with distinct
>> identities but rather manifestations of the same underlying
>> consciousness or awareness.
>>
>> Open individualism can be contrasted with other theories of personal
>> identity. For example, closed individualism holds that each person is
>> a distinct and separate individual with a unique identity that
>> persists over time. It suggests that personal identity is tied to
>> specific bodies, minds, or streams of consciousness.
>>
>> Open individualism rejects the idea of personal identity as a separate
>> and isolated entity and instead argues for a more inclusive and
>> interconnected view of consciousness. Advocates of open individualism
>> often argue that the boundaries between individuals are illusory and
>> that the underlying reality is a single, unified consciousness
>> experiencing itself through different perspectives.
>>
>> This perspective raises interesting philosophical questions about the
>> nature of personal identity, the relationship between individuals, and
>> the implications for ethics and moral responsibility. It challenges
>> our intuitive notions of selfhood and invites us to reconsider the
>> boundaries we typically draw between ourselves and others.
>> --------------
>>
>> Tell me more --
>>
>> Certainly! Here are some additional points to delve deeper into the
>> concept of open individualism:
>>
>> 1. Unity of Consciousness: Open individualism posits that there is a
>> fundamental unity of consciousness that underlies all individual
>> experiences. It suggests that the sense of self and personal identity
>> we associate with our individual lives is an illusion, and that at a
>> deeper level, there is a single consciousness that is shared by all
>> beings.
>>
>> 2. Metaphysical Implications: Open individualism raises metaphysical
>> questions about the nature of consciousness and its relationship to
>> the physical world. It challenges the idea that consciousness arises
>> solely from individual brains or minds and suggests that consciousness
>> is a fundamental and universal aspect of reality.
>>
>> 3. Unity in Diversity: Open individualism views the diversity of human
>> experiences and perspectives as different expressions of the same
>> underlying consciousness. It emphasizes the interconnectedness and
>> interdependence of all individuals, suggesting that our apparent
>> differences are superficial and that we are ultimately part of a
>> larger, unified whole.
>>
>> 4. Ethical Considerations: The concept of open individualism can have
>> implications for ethics and moral responsibility. It challenges the
>> idea of personal identity as the basis for moral distinctions and
>> calls for a more inclusive and compassionate approach to others. If we
>> recognize that we are all manifestations of the same consciousness, it
>> can foster a sense of empathy and interconnectedness that transcends
>> narrow self-interest.
>>
>> 5. Mystical and Spiritual Traditions: The idea of open individualism
>> shares similarities with certain mystical and spiritual traditions.
>> Concepts such as nondualism, oneness, and universal consciousness can
>> be found in various philosophical and religious systems. Open
>> individualism aligns with the notion that our individual identities
>> are temporary and illusory, and that a deeper reality connects all
>> beings.
>>
>> It's important to note that open individualism is a philosophical
>> position that is subject to debate and interpretation. While some find
>> it intellectually compelling, others may have reservations or
>> objections. Exploring this concept further can lead to fascinating
>> discussions about the nature of consciousness, personal identity, and
>> our place in the world.
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