[ExI] teachers

[efc at swisscows.email]

That reminds me... I had a project where a student was creating abstract 
art for a company (AI-generated). I'd say that beauty (or art) is in the 
eye of the beholder.

Personally, I do not have a criterion that an object has to be human-made 
in order for it to be considered art. If I like it, I like it (but 
I'm probably the least artsy person in the room, so do take my opinion 
with a grain of salt).

Best regards,
Daniel


On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, Henry Rivera via extropy-chat wrote:

> A friend of mine started this project in an attempt to have a machine create “true art.” He started this long before the AI
> revolution btw. He argues that he has created creative bots. You be the judge. 
> 
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> -Henry
>
>       On Jan 28, 2024, at 5:37 PM, efc--- via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>       From my position as a teacher it is pretty easy to spot the difference since many students don't even bother to change
>       the output.
>
>       Most just put the raw output of a chat gpt question in a document and present it as their own, so when 70-100% of the
>       text is the same, it is easy to slap a cheat label on them.
>
>       The same for coding assignments when you can get 10-15 students with the exact same variable names, structure, and order
>       of calls.
>
>       But... a highly motivated cheater who actually applies some intelligence to the task will of course be able to cheat way
>       more easily.
>
>       Best regards,
>       Daniel
> 
>
>       On Sun, 28 Jan 2024, Will Steinberg via extropy-chat wrote:
>
>             The updated Turing test should see whether a computer can make true Art.
>
>             It’s no surprise that AI excels in optimizing derivative content—that’s what it is made to do.  School essays
>             already may as well be
>
>             copies of one another, made according to algorithms.  Is it really shocking at all that AI can pump out the
>             same commodified crap
>
>             people already do—essays, ad copy, tutorials, illustrations, web design?
>
>             When an AI can create *of its own volition* works of art that hang in museums, then it passes the test.
>
>             AI can already be used by skilled humans to make true Art, but when it makes some itself then I’ll be
>             convinced
>
>             On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 10:58 AM Gregory Jones via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>                  BillW's question regarding the instructor's task of distinguishing between a student and AI puts a final
>             nail in the
>
>                  coffin of Turing's test.  Artificial intelligence is able create an illusion of consciousness so
>             convincing, we are still
>
>                  debating if it really is the real thing, all while failing to adequately define precisely what we mean
>             by "real." 
>
>             spike
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