[ExI] trust the fake science?

[efc at swisscows.email]

On Fri, 7 Jun 2024, Travis Porco via extropy-chat wrote:

>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2024 at 17:10, Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> If anybody here has read or watched the TV adaptation of "Three Body
>>> Problem", this almost seems like a (relatively) low-tech version of the
>>> Trisolaran plot to sabotage humanity's advancement in science so that we
>>> would be easy prey when their invasion fleet arrives.
>
>>> Stuart LaForge
>>> _______________________________________________
>
>> There is now an AI arms race in progress. The fake paper mills use AI
>> to generate ever-more convincing fake research papers, While
>> publishers and peer reviewers use AI to try to detect AI created
>> papers.
>> The academic system is the problem. Researchers have to get many
>> research reports published to improve their career prospects, and
>> publishers and fake paper mills make money from the system.
>> The pressure on all concerned is tremendous.
>
>> BillK
>
> Part of the problem is reviewing--there is no other area
> in which we require on anonymous, unpaid, unaccountable people
> for high quality work.  The scientific system can be overhauled
> to raise the value of reviewing.
>
> Moreover it is ultimately based on trust.  There might be
> nothing that can be done to tell from the written paper that no data
> were ever collected.  Perhaps the journals could conduct
> random audits of labs. Their whole value added is in large
> part quality assurance.
>
> Obviously severe penalties for falsifying data are needed,
> but may not be enough.
>
> --tcp
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Maybe time to learn from how science is done at corporations? Would that 
improve things? I'm no scientist so I would be interested in hearing from 
the actual scientists on this list how you would fix the problem in an 
ideal world.

Best regards,
Daniel