[ExI] [Extropolis] trump

[sjatkins]

Well wait a second.  We here are supposed to be Extropians.   Therefore we believe in radical supply side - that is in the creation of Radical Abundance.   So what is this scarcity minded stuff that seems to be creeping in?    Isn't anti-aging and machine-phase nanotech and AI and automation a formula for such abundance in theory that all the needs of Everyone can be met with a trivial fraction of productive capacity?

Besides, the real reason we are in this bind isn't demographics and such but a completely run-away FED that has totally bought the notion that by mass manipulation of interest rates, mass buying of Treasuries and easy money for fast speculation carry trade that somehow Wall Street riches will convince everyone they are wealthy and more will be produced.  In short pure Economic Fascism of monetarist sort.    Capitalism in the sense of free markets?  Not remotely what we have had in decades in the US.


On Friday, August 18th, 2023 at 16:27, William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> 

> I don't expect any of you (including me???) to understand this. People seem to have a
> strong bias against understanding that they have evolved psychological
> traits at all. Perhaps too much insight is not good for your genes. Keith
> 

> 

> Keith I think you are seriously underestimating (or should that be misunderestimating? - ��) the intelligence of the group we have here. Anyone who doesn't believe in inherited traits, speak up!
> 

> 

> In any case, wasn't it true that in Germany in the 30s they had inflation so bad that wheelbarrows were needed to cart around the money? The only time I can think of where people are willing to lower expectations and make sacrifices is when we are in a war people support. Will we have to go to war to adjust to lower levels of Medicare and Social Security? bill w
> 

> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:14 AM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

> > "Will it ever end?"
> > 

> > No. It is what happens when humans think they are faced with a bleak future.
> > 

> > We have been selected to go to war when we are faced with starvation.
> > I have a mathematical model if anyone cares.
> > 

> > What happens is that the first stage of the run-up to wars is the
> > circulation of xenophobic or just crazy memes. Commonly a cult-type
> > leader takes advantage of this or alternately, the memes take
> > advantage of someone (think of Hitler as a victim of this process).
> > If you don't believe the connection of a bad economic outlook to crazy
> > memes, just consider where the main support for MAGA or Qanon comes
> > from.
> > 

> > 40 years ago I made the observation (without understanding) that
> > economic downturns correlated with upsurges of neo-nazi activity in
> > the midwest.
> > 

> > I don't expect any of you to understand this. People seem to have a
> > strong bias against understanding that they have evolved psychological
> > traits at all. Perhaps too much insight is not good for your genes.
> > 

> > Keith
> > 

> > On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 4:59 PM William Flynn Wallace
> > <foozler83 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > He's still in the lead. We know he's a liar, a sexist, perhaps a rapist, surely guilty of some of the charges against him now.
> > >
> > > Does that show that those supporters just don't care about the law, the Constitution or anything else except their own opinions? So if it isn't Trump it would be someone else?
> > >
> > > That is really scary to me. Is this as bad as it gets? Have we been this way all along?
> > >
> > > In surveys people are asked about the past, and it's almost always better than now. Statistics show that to be wildly wrong in every category, medical, technical, economic.
> > >
> > > So rabble rousers are basing their stances on lies. It's the little boy crying wolf when there's no wolf.
> > >
> > > If I had a magic wand, I might include omitting credulousness from human characteristics in my top three.
> > >
> > > We know that 'the many' in society are carried by 'the few' on their backs. 'The many' appear not to want to acknowledge how great we are, or care about the people who created all the toys they so dearly love, and may actually be antiscience.
> > >
> > > 'Level of expectation' is a term in social psychology. When yours are met you are satisfied, but want more, and what 'more' means is now at a higher level than before because of the increased expectations. Which leads to dissatisfactions with the current intake.
> > >
> > > Will it ever end? Or it is like a black hole which can take all you can throw at it?
> > >
> > > bill w
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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