[ExI] Mind Upload problems

[Keith Henson]

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 6:37 AM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat
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> I can see thinking faster can help with calculations, but we have far faster computers for those problems.  I cannot see how thinking faster can help with social


"The problem is uploaded humans speeding up. Human brains are
asynchronous, but, given reaction times, we can impute an equivalent
clock rate of ~200 Hz. Which means a human brain (or brain equivalent)
running in moderately fast hardware could run a million times faster.
(200 MHz is not fast hardware.)

"You might ask, “Why would humans do such a silly thing?” Because
intelligence is a large factor in sexual attraction. This was probably
established in the Stone Age. Of course, intelligence is valuable
outside of sexual attraction, being correlated with many other
personality and life-history traits and is especially valued by
transhumanists. One aspect of being smart is thinking fast, or at
least thinking faster than the person you are trying to impress. That
leads at once to a runaway “Red Queen” situation where, when we can
run our thinking faster, we would rapidly push the computational speed
to the limit, whatever it is."  [from
http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/]

Keith

or emotional problems.   Just as we are, thinking faster can lead to
hasty decisions.  bill w



> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 4:25 PM BillK via extropy-chat <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, 13 Mar 2024 at 17:05, Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > I discussed this in The Clinic Seed and in my speculation article
>> > "Transhumanism and the Human Expansion into Space: a Conflict with
>> > Physics". Archived from the original on November 30, 2012.
>> >
>> > If we have million to one uploads by mid century, then by the end of
>> > the century those people will have 50 million subjective years.
>> > However, based on Tabby's star, I don't think people will run that
>> > fast.  The faster you run the smaller any communicating group has to
>> > be due to light speed.  The largest of those structures is 2.5 seconds
>> > across, so they might be running no faster than we do.
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> I can't imagine that mind uploads that are running thousands or
>> millions of times faster than humans would voluntarily give up those
>> superpowers. Would they really say, 'Oh well, it was nice for a while,
>> but let's go back to thinking at the pitifully slow human speed'?
>> When uploads are living at those incredibly fast speeds, it effectively
>> makes them immortal and freezes the outside world almost to a stop.
>> Obviously they would need to plan ahead for security and to keep the
>> computer systems running. But at their thinking speed, that would be
>> like the timescale of humans planning billions of years ahead for the
>> death of the Sun.
>> Yes, light speed does mean smaller local groups communicating. But
>> once uploads are immortal and living in wonderful virtual worlds, then
>> large-scale planetary geoengineering will be forgotten. It would take
>> uploaded intelligences millions of virtual years to do anything in the
>> outside world.
>> That's a possible explanation for the Fermi paradox.
>>
>>
>> BillK
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