[ExI] Machines of Loving Grace

[efc at disroot.org]

I see no reason why you could not slow processes down to adapt to the real 
world, if that is your focus.


On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Keith Henson wrote:

> I discussed why people would have to upload into a shared simulation here.
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> https://web.archive.org/web/20121130232045/http://hplusmagazine.com/2012/04/12/transhumanism-and-the-human-expansion-into-space-a-conflict-with-physics/
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> A fast-thinking brain in an android body would be like a fly mired in honey.
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> Keith
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> On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 4:09 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Mon, 14 Oct 2024, Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat wrote:
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>>>
>>> On 13/10/2024 20:41, Keith Hensen wrote:
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>>> On Sun, Oct 13, 2024 at 10:18 AM efc--- via extropy-chat
>>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>>> snip
>>>
>>> Why do you think hostility will be a problem when it comes to uploading
>>> as long as it is a voluntary procedure that will not affect anyone else?
>>> It depends.  If a high fraction of the population uploads, there will
>>> be a social collapse.  At some point, the social system fails and the
>>> remaining people will move away from ghost towns.
>>>
>>>
>>> One thing nobody seems to consider is the possibility of uploading into a new artificial brain, in control of a synthetic body,
>>> instead of into a large, shared computing system. That way, there would still be physical people around in the physical world. They'd
>>> have the advantages of both situations, seeing as their new brains should be easily capable of connecting to computer systems and
>>> experiencing virtual worlds as well as the real world. Their 'ecological footprint' would probably be smaller than biological humans
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> I could see 'uploading to an android' being a popular option, and a lot less scary for some people than uploading to a server. It
>>> would also (potentially) solve the tricky problem of who owns and controls the hardware that your mind runs on.
>>>
>>> Ben
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>> I considered it in my post. ;) Also recently finished the book Software by
>> Rudy Rucker where such themes are discussed.
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>> For me personally, uploading myself into a robot, would at least
>> initially, be far more interesting and desirable, than uploading myself
>> into some kind of mainframe fantasy land.
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>> Since the mind would be software anyway, I would expect to be able to
>> "peak into" fantasy land if I so wished anyway (or the reverse).
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>> I could imagine that after a few 100 or 1000 years in the real world,
>> maybe things would get boring, and the mainframe fantasyland might be were
>> the story would end.
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>> Hence my previous post about stagnation possibly being a problem in such
>> scenarios. I think we know too little about our brains at the moment, to
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