[ExI] [Extropolis] Re: Musk set up 100,000 Nvidia H200 GPUs in 19 days - Nvidia says ​it normally takes 4 years

[Keith Henson]

On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 10:10 PM Will Steinberg
<steinberg.will at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A strung-out doper, is that me?

Please, don't be so sensitive. I don't know anything about you beyond
your comments here, like the one about LSD.  My comments were not
directed to any specific person.

I was talking about the common final brain reward pathway that I
described in an article 20 years ago.  But consider, do you think
people are rewarded by what they experience in cults?

Are they rewarded by the chemical effects on their brains of addictive drugs?

Do you think there is anything in common between these rewards?

I don't know if you have ever had experience with cult members.  I
have had with the scientology cult.  I have also had some experience
with drug addicts.  They are remarkably similar.  I had no idea of why
for years.

"Typical behavior for both includes draining bank accounts and
education funds, selling or mortgaging property, neglecting children,
destroying relations with family and friends, and losing interest in
anything except the drug or cult. (Not all people become this
irresponsible on either cults or drugs, but many do.) "  [from the
article]

> For fuck’s sake.  I pity people like you.  You’re just as much of an NPC as the people you seem to consider mindless animals at the whims of their most base urges.   You just know more trivia.

I didn't know that trivia, had to look it up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPC_(meme)  Is that your intended
meaning?  Given my well-known history, can you make a case for me
being non-player character?  Also seems risky.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPC_(meme)#2023_stabbing

> People like you guys are a perfect model of where I don’t want to end up intellectually as I age—obstinate, close-minded, just saying the same shit over and over at every opportunity.  Acting like you want discussion but really just wanting someone to listen to you, while imagining you’re above it all. Aren’t you trained in the sciences?

Since you ask, BSEE, perhaps a dozen papers and articles.  Senior life
Member, IEEE. Seven patents.  Known for founding the L5 Society.
Refugee in Canada for a few years.

Do you have a web page?  I can't figure out which one you might be.

> Didn’t you ever learn the Socratic method?  You would stand to learn a lot from some of the people who you are talking about as if they are children who have no control of or consideration over their behavior.

I will refrain from comment

Keith
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 11:49 PM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 12:34 PM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:>
>> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 2:58 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>  > these people don’t have behaviors that are predicted by the oversimplified models you give.
>> >
>> >
>> > I give? I disagree with Keith, I think his models are oversimplified. I think there must be other reasons, in addition to evolutionary ones, that have turned Trump supporters into such gigantic jackasses, reasons that I do not pretend to understand and reasons that I don't believe you understand either. In fact even Trump supporters don't seem to understand why they are Trump supporters,
>>
>> That's typical of people under the influence of such evolved
>> psychological traits.  The killers in Rwanda don't understand what
>> happened when they killed their neighbors.  Lots of baffled testimony
>> before the reconciliation commission.  Likewise, Patty Hearst was at a
>> loss to understand what happened to her.  It makes sense in
>> evolutionary terms because (if you use the Yanomamo. numbers) around
>> 10% of women in prehistory times were captured.  Those who were able
>> to bond with the group that captured them became our ancestors.  Those
>> who did not became breakfast.  :-)  That's a hell of a genetic
>> selection filter.
>>
>> > at least they can't coherently explain it to me and Darwin knows I've asked them, I begged them to do so since 2016 but all I get is random ravings about transsexual bathrooms, women in men's sports, and now Haitians eating cats.
>>
>> No surprise.  You will not get a coherent conversation with a
>> strung-out doper or a cult member either.  I wrote a paper long ago on
>> the common brain reward pathways of drugs and cults.  (Credit to
>> Kennita Watson who helped.)
>> https://www.academia.edu/37893481/Sex_Drugs_and_Cults_An_evolutionary_psychology_perspective_on_why_and_how_cult_memes_get_a_drug_like_hold_on_people_and_what
>> _might_be_done_to_mitigate_the_effects
>>
>> People in the Trump/MAGA/etc cult are rewarded at the brain reward
>> circuit level by talking or otherwise interacting with others who
>> share their meme sets.  Attention is highly rewarding.  It's why we
>> post.
>>
>> I don't want to claim much credit here, I was just in a place where it
>> was easy to pick the low-hanging fruit.
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> > Oh and yesterday Trump talked for 13 minutes about Arnold Palmer and the huge size of his penis, I don't know maybe that is somehow related, it's as good a theory as any.
>> >
>> > Or maybe it's just a sign that Trump is developing Alzheimers like his father did when he was about the same age.
>> >
>> >> > It is obvious that by saying “reductive” I mean the general term and not the scientific term.
>> >
>> >
>> > It's not obvious to me. Maybe by "general term" you just mean reductionism being performed badly, because obviously nobody wants that.
>> >
>> > John K Clark
>> >
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