[ExI] [Extropolis] Re: Musk set up 100,000 Nvidia H200 GPUs in 19 days - Nvidia says ​it normally takes 4 years

[Keith Henson]

On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 2:53 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com> wrote:
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> What I would have done is be as clear as possible what the vaccine was, what level of testing had been done on it, possible side effects, etc.—informed consent.

I followed the vaccine development closely at the time.  It was clear
to me, the testing program was well described.  There are an infinity
of possible side effects so you are asking the impossible.  Informed
consent makes no sense either.  In the early days of the vaccine,
there were people trying to get it out of turn who offered $25k.

> Instead people were plied with free stuff

Really?  What kind of free stuff?  Did I miss out?

> and threatened with excommunication.

That's news to me.  How did they get the Pope involved?

>  They weren’t told what the vaccine even was.

I knew at the time because I read into the open technical literature.
It is moderately complicated.  What would you do?  Force a
college-level knowledge on everyone who wanted to be vaccinated?

> They weren’t told that the risks were magnitudes higher for the infirm, obese, and elderly.

The risks of dying from the disease for these people were widely
discussed at the time.

> Essentially what happened is the government didn’t trust people (and, they are in the pocket of corporations), so they chose to lie and obfuscate in pursuit of public health, thinking “if we are more clear about the risks of the vaccine and the risks of covid, people won’t get the vaccines, and we will have a crisis”.  And I don’t like that kind of thinking.  People should be allowed to see all the information and decide for themselves.  Not to mention plenty of countries with less access to vaccines did just fine during the pandemic.

Let's get specific, which countries?

>  Perhaps the outcomes in America have to do with the fact that 3/4 of adults are overweight and more than half of that group is obese.  This is a problem in developed countries in general, along with an aging population.  I think low-risk people shouldn’t have been pressured so hard to get the vaccines as long as they were being careful around others.

And just how do you sort out the careful?

> I have worked in a few virology labs.  I have degrees in biology and economics, so I’m not just talking out my ass, if the pedigree means something to you.

In that case, I am even more amazed at what you have said.  Any papers
on your work?

Keith

> On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 4:53 PM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 1:05 PM Will Steinberg <steinberg.will at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > Vulnerability to groupthink is common, it just happens that cults are small, insular groups.
>> >
>> > The insanity around covid and how crappy untested vaccines made by giant amoral pharma corporations
>>
>> A corporation that produces a billion or so doses of anything has to
>> be giant.  Amoral is a feature of corporations. "Crappy untested", the
>> MRNA vaccines were and still are the best vaccines in the world at
>> generating antibodies to covid.  The testing was the best they could
>> do given the time pressure of both people dying and the economic
>> damage the pandemic was causing.
>>
>> A legitimate question is what you would have done differently?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> PS  Not everything on the Internet is true.
>>
>> were pushed on people with the threat of total ostracization and
>> prevention from moving through society was cult-like.  It was just a
>> cult that was so big it became mainstream.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 1:46 PM Keith Henson <hkeithhenson at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Re brave, that was not exactly what happened.  I got a couple of
>> >> academic publications out of the experience, but duking it out with
>> >> the clam cult was not a good idea.  I got sucked into the fight
>> >> defending free speech.  it wasn't a good idea personally.  That cult
>> >> is smaller now and has less influence, but it still had enough to get
>> >> an FBI investigation into their internal prisons and human trafficking
>> >> (slavery) shut down.
>> >>
>> >> Someone went after the FBI with FOIA. If you want to read the report,
>> >> it is available.
>> >>
>> >> My big disappointment is that (so far) understanding the evolved
>> >> psychological traits that make people vulnerable to cults has not
>> >> resulted in interventions.
>> >>
>> >> Keith
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2024 at 5:28 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Oct 22, 2024 at 10:10 PM Will Steinberg spewed out this crap:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > I pity people like you.  For fuck’s sake.  I pity people like you.  You’re just as much of an NPC as the people you seem to consider mindless animals at the whims of their most base urges. [ ...]  People like you guys are a perfect model of where I don’t want to end up intellectually as I age.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > By "people like you" and "people like you guys" I assume you're referring to Keith Henson and me, if so then I'm proud to be placed in the same category as Keith.  And if there's one thing in this world you can be absolutely certain of its that if somebody says "I pity you" then you can be 100% certain that person is LYING and that they do NOT pity you because if they actually did pity you then saying it to the person you claim to pity would be the very last thing in the world you would want to say. It is even more obvious that the words spoken are a lie if they are uttered in the middle of a heated argument.
>> >> >
>> >> > Keith Henson then calmly, intelligently, politely and with more patience than I have responded to Will's blather with this:
>> >> >
>> >> >> > I don't know if you have ever had experience with cult members. I have had with the scientology cult.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes I agree, you've had some experience with the scientology cult, in fact I'd call that one of the great understatements of all time! And Keith, you're a braver man than I am, braver by far! I think Will Steinberg needs to educate himself, he might start by reading the Wikipedia article about you. By the way, I know it wasn't your fault but I always regretted that they changed the name of the L5 Society to the much more forgettable National Space Society.
>> >> >
>> >> > Keith Henson
>> >> >
>> >> > John K Clark    See what's on my new list at  Extropolis
>> >> > epb
>> >> >
>> >> >
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