[ExI] immortal

[Adrian Tymes]

Capital merely a hundred times more important than labor?  If we measure in
dollars, euros, and the like, we've been there for a while, and you can
read most any non-local newspaper to find out how that's coming along.
Granted, there are major questions about the truth of this valuation, but
it is the most commonly accepted metric.

Yes, getting capital - becoming one of the rich - is beneficial (if nothing
else, it takes a certain minimum to afford a cryonics contract if, as is
likely the case, getting to where most people can be uploaded and/or have
substantial life extension is going to take quite a few decades - longer
than most of us otherwise have), but it isn't easy.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 4:26 AM Kelly Anderson via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> I'd reason that running one human mind equivalent at human-like speed
> inside of some kind of VR full of other entities running at the same speed
> is something that could be "free" for every human that wishes to be
> uploaded. It's got to be cheaper than feeding them. Thus the have nots will
> have a kind of ubi of computational status quo.
>
> The haves would do one of a few things. They would either run multiple
> threads of consciousness, and merge them back into the core self after a
> period of time (i.e. I go learn Chinese in a thread, then come back and
> incorporate that knowledge into my core self), or divide and never
> recombine. Or just run one single thread way faster, and with more
> "neurons" so you become a super intelligence. Of course, you could be a
> multi-threaded super intelligence too, so there's always a place for "more".
>
> As to how one affords such stuff, like always, by contributing something
> someone else wants.
>
> My personal bet for the nearer term future is to have property (land) and
> function, in my case machinery that can turn ideas into concrete things. I
> specialize in wood things. I think that even if AI is running the world,
> they'll still need a CNC to turn wood into things people and robots want.
> This is different from a job. We've always thought of ourselves in terms of
> labor and capital, us being the labor. I think in the near future, it will
> be heavily skewed towards capital. And labor will take care of itself.
> So... what does a world look like when capital is a hundred times more
> important than labor? We're probably about to find out. I recommend getting
> some capital in your life of some kind.
>
> -Kelly
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2025 at 1:17 PM William Flynn Wallace via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> So let's say that uploading brains works and as long as the system
>> supporting you is OK you are OK.
>>
>> But to use an old saying:  there ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
>> How will you pay for your upkeep a thousand years, ten thousand years, from
>> uploading? Will there be a publish or perish requirement?  Or some such?
>>  bill w
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