[ExI] The Big Black Hole Question

[Jason Resch]

On Fri, Jul 18, 2025, 3:04 AM Stuart LaForge via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On 2025-07-10 09:59, scerir via extropy-chat wrote:
> >> Regarding the astronomy use of the term, it is fun to think about.
> >> Under
> >> sufficient pressure, gravity overpowers everything and electrons are
> >> pushed
> >> into the protons, which form neutrons, kerBOOM, supernova, result,
> >> huge ball
> >> of neutrons.  COOL!  But... what if that neutron star is so big, it
> >> crushes
> >> the neutrons?  What do neutrons crush into?  We don't know.  Our
> >> equations
> >> fail us.  It's all a big virtual reality, I tells ye.  Wicked, evil it
> >> is.
> >> The devil invented the whole system.  Rage against it.
> >>
> >> spike
> >
> > Quark stars are possible.
> >
> > But I remember that Daniel Greenberger wrote about an interesting
> > uncertainty principle: delta m x delta tau > h, where m is mass and tau
> > is proper time. In his theory, proper time and mass are physical
> > quantities measured in a particular system of reference: the particle
> > rest frame. Therefore, the proper time uncertainty delta tau expresses
> > the standard deviation of measures from external frames of the reading
> > an imaginary clock situated on the particle.
> >
> > Interesting the deep connection between mass and (proper) time.
>
> Very interesting. Thanks for bringing Daniel Greenberger to my
> attention. The GHZ experiment absolutely destroys local realism without
> any of the statistical loopholes of Bell inequality. I am trying to wrap
> my head around the notion of there being wave functions and operators
> for mass and proper time. Most notably because both rest mass and proper
> time are Lorentz invariant so they are generally thought of as intrinsic
> properties of a particle instead of dynamic variable that depends on
> "when and where" you observe it.
>


Under the Euclidean view of Special Relativity (e.g., as described in
Relativity Visualized
https://archive.org/details/L.EpsteinRelativityVisualizedelemTxt1994Insight
), the proper velocity of anything is always the speed of light. When
something appears to be at rest, it is travelling through time at the speed
of light.

This view is completely compatible with Einstein's Relativity, it is just a
change of coordinate systems.

But a clear outcome of this, to me, is it tightly links position with time.
If a particle can truly be measured to be any location, any distance away
(with some probability) from it's previously measured location, then it's
arbitrary spacial displacement must equally reflect in its arbitrary time
displacement.

Jason
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