[ExI] Free Trade

[William Flynn Wallace]

I agree with EFC/Daniel.  People-produced things will still be desired.
AnAI can give us acceptable music in the style of any composer, but can it
create new forms and sounds?  Remains to be seen.  Ditto painting and
sculpture (though realistic art might be gone).

On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 2:09 PM efc--- via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, John Clark wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 8:51 AM <efc at disroot.org> wrote:
> >
> >       > As long as there will be human desires, there will be jobs.
> >
> >
> > No there will not be, not when a machine can perform your job, my job,
> everybody's job much much better than any human can, and that
> > is going to happen. And I'm not talking about a millennium, I'm not even
> talking about a decade.
>
> I disagree. I might have a desire to be served food by a human being
> instead of a machine, to own a piece of art created by a human being, to
> be guided by a human being, ad infinitum.
>
> You might not, but I might, and I know many people who already today,
> pre-AI, prefer the human touch over a computer or todays rought "AI"
> guiding them.
>
> So if/when AI produces everything, the service sector, artisans, art,
> politics, sports, will shoot through the roof. Ergo, as long as human
> desires exists, there will be plenty of jobs for other humans to fulfill
> them.
>
> Best regards,
> Daniel
>
>
> > John K Clark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       On Tue, 7 Oct 2025, John Clark via extropy-chat wrote:
> >
> >       > How do people around here feel about free trade? When I first
> joined this list in 1993 nearly every member was a
> >       passionate advocate
> >       > of free trade including me, but I get the impression that is no
> longer the case; certainly He Who Must Not Be Named is
> >       about as far
> >       > from being a free trade advocate as it's possible to be. Even
> the AI revolution hasn't caused me to change my opinion
> >       about free
> >       > trade but Universal Basic Income is a different matter; back
> then I would've argued that the idea was completely
> >       impractical and I
> >       > would have been correct, but even then I knew that eventually
> something like it would have to be implemented, however I
> >       figured it
> >       > was so far in the future I didn't need to think very deeply
> about it. But the time has come.
> >       >
> >       > Have the amazing developments in AI during the last five years
> caused anybody else to change any of their economic
> >       opinions?
> >       >
> >       > John K Clark
> >
> >       Hello John,
> >
> >       No, certainly not me. Free trade good, UBI bad. As long as there
> will be
> >       human desires, there will be jobs.
> >
> >       Best regards,
> >       Daniel
> >
> >
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