[ExI] Red

[John Clark]

On Fri, Jul 3, 2026 at 6:54 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

*> Does the brain create reness out of nothing? *
>

*Maybe. The brain creates redness out of nothing IF AND ONLY IF it's a
brute fact that some arrangements of on and off switches produces a color
qualia. Or to put it another way, the brain can produce subjective states
if it's a brute fact that consciousness is the way data feels when it is
being processed intelligently. *


> * > If not, then what?*
>

*If a brute fact never enters the picture then redness must be created by
A, and A can do that because of B, and B can do that because of C, and C
can do that because of D and D....*


*Brent, as I've said before, I think either possibility would make you
unhappy, but logically one of them must be true, so I fear you may be
destined to be unhappy. *

*John K Clark*











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> On Wed, Jul 1, 2026 at 10:54 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2026 at 6:49 AM Ben Zaiboc via extropy-chat <
>> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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>> *>  'Subjective redness quality' is one of the things that the brain
>>> creates. It's a product, not a cause.*
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>> *Yes, and in that you've skillfully distilled things down to just the
>> words that were necessary and not one word more. Excellent! *
>>
>> *John K Clark*
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