[ExI] Red

[Keith Henson]

For years, this entire topic has gone right over my head.

I realize it might be significant, but to me it reminds me of the medieval
arguments over how many angels could dance on the head of a pin. OK, a ripe
strawberry has the quality of red. So what?
Also, never read why angels would want to dance on the head of a pin.

Keith


On Thu, Jul 9, 2026 at 10:47 AM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

>
> Yes.  There is a non euclidean bubble world in your head, which is your
> conscious knowledge of the Euclidean world out there.
> There is plenty of clear proof that half of this bubble world resides in
> each hemisphere, yet somehow we experience it as one unified, infallible,
> gestalt experience.
>
> I hope you're not going back to Descartes' idea of the pineal gland in the
> center of the brain, which he thought contained everything we consciously
> know in one point?
>
> And of course every subcomponent doesn't know this.  In fact if parts of
> knowledge, like redness, are experienced with your memory of ripe
> strawberries,.., that memory must also be subjectively bound with redness
> via some mechanism.
> It is possible that qualities in the left hemisphere are bound only to
> qualities in the right, without the memories also being subjectively bound
> with them.  Lots of this kind of stuff is clearly happening with people who
> have congenitally bound brains.  They can "see out their twin's eyes" even
> though their memories are different.
>
> There is also evidence that we have subjectively bound
> conscious knowledge not bound into our main conscious knowledge.  This
> would be a kind of separately conscious gestalt entity residing at a
> different location in the brain/hemisphere.  If the subjective binding
> mechanism isn't present, it can't be part of an infallible gestalt
> experience.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2026 at 11:00 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2026 at 12:35 PM Brent Allsop via extropy-chat
>> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2026 at 5:03 AM John Clark <johnkclark at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> You can objectively observe your own "yellowness quality" but you are
>> the only conscious being in the universe that can do that; meanwhile I have
>> my own "yellowness quality" that you will never be able to objectively
>> observe.
>> >
>> > This assertion is obviously falsified by the simple fact that your left
>> hemesphere knows infallably, what redness in the right hemesphere is like.
>>
>> Does it now?  Just because you know it does not mean that every
>> subcomponent of you knows it.
>>
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