[ExI] Red

[Brent Allsop]

Thanks for talking about qualities like this, as I think it is the key to
understanding what phenomenal consciousness is like, and how a more
powerful computational model works.

Frist off we've got to stop talking ambiguously so we can know what people
are talking about.  By default, the term 'red' is ambiguous.  You can't
tell if you are talking about the physical properties of the surface of the
strawberry, the light, any of the other states in any perception chain, and
ultimately the physical properties of our subjective knowledge of red
things, as rendered into our consciousness by our perception system.

We're building and tracking consensus around a better way to define these
physical terms in the consensus representational qualia theory camp
<https://canonizer.com/topic/88-Theories-of-Consciousness/6-Representational-Qualia?>.
They define the terms as follows:


   1.  “red” The intrinsic property of objects that are the target of our
   observation, the initial cause of the perception process (i.e. when the
   strawberry reflects 650 nm (red) light). A label for Anything that reflects
   or emits ‘red’ light.
   2.  “redNESS” The different intrinsic subjective property of our
   knowledge of red things, the final result of our perception of red.


So, given that, can you guys ask your questions so I can understand what
everyone is talking about?






On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 6:32 AM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat <
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> On Tue, Jun 30, 2026, 7:06 AM John Clark via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> *A physicist would say there's no such thing as black light*
>>
>
> They might accept that there is a thing called "black" light, widely
> enough that they need to acknowledge the term, even if it's actually
> near-ultraviolet light.
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