[ExI] Google Just Achieved Mathematical AGI

Sun Mar 8 07:34:14 UTC 2026

On Sat, Mar 7, 2026 at 9:09 PM Adrian Tymes via extropy-chat
<extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
> Excellent work.  I'd move the digression about Bitcoin to the end,
> because it is a digression, to be brought up after it's established
> why the audience would care.  Specifically, start with just
>
> > To this day, no one (including AIs) has taken credit.  Why is unknown, they would be the most lauded person in the whole history of medicine, or from the doctor’s viewpoint, the most reviled.  Or maybe they don’t want the hassle.
>
> and then move everything from "The origin of..." through "...every one
> of them out." to the end.
>
> And then, what happens next?  After the medical insurance industry has
> collapsed, what of care for critical injuries that are beyond what IH
> can deal with?

I don't know.  Nanotech or something related to it can fix anything,
so at some point, there will be no injuries that can't be fixed.

>  Does anyone seriously try to hack it, once its working
> mechanism is discovered?  (It would be discovered, by legions of
> medical researchers with nothing else to do even if the creator leaks
> no information.)

True.  Perhaps the early versions will be limited, and later releases
will be better.  Though in the era when things like infectious health
might come about, AI improvements may be explosive.

Keith

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2026 at 4:08 AM Keith Henson via extropy-chat
> <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
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> > On Tue, Mar 3, 2026 at 6:14 AM spike jones via extropy-chat
> > <extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
> >
> > snip
> >
> > >  We might be stuck with defining the singularity as a year when a billion humans perish.
> > >
> > > Wow that’s dark.  Suggestions please?
> >
> > How about defining the singularity as the year the death rate falls to
> > near zero?
> >
> > Infectious health
> >
> > To this day, no one (including AIs) has taken credit.  Why is unknown,
> > they would be the most lauded person in the whole history of medicine,
> > or from the doctor’s viewpoint, the most reviled.  Or maybe they don’t
> > want the hassle.  The origin of Infectious Health (IH) is not the only
> > mystery of this kind.  The inventor of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto
> > communicated only through this pseudonym.  Whoever was behind the
> > pseudonym vanished from the net in December 2010 after passing on the
> > software and encryption keys.  He (or she) is estimated to have around
> > a million Bitcoin, which would rank them as a substantial billionaire
> > if they showed up and started spending. The AIs claim they don't know
> > who or what was behind either Bitcoin or the great IH event, but we
> > know they are entirely capable of lying.  Or possibly, they just don’t
> > know.  They are not omniscient, and the true identity of the person or
> > persons behind Bitcoin has never been confirmed.
> > https://www.britannica.com/money/topic/cryptocurrency Some people have
> > claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto, but none of them have provided
> > convincing evidence.
> > https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/the-history-of-bitcoin
> > Satoshi Nakamoto was active in the development of Bitcoin until
> > December 2010, when he handed over the source code and network alert
> > key to other developers and stopped communicating with the Bitcoin
> > community.  The working assumption is that he died; the alternative is
> > that he is not human because he is estimated to own between 750,000
> > and 1,100,000 Bitcoins, which were easy to mine in the early days. His
> > Bitcoins are worth billions of dollars as of 2025, but none have been
> > transferred in the last 15 years.  The alternative theory is that
> > Nakamoto was too rich to care or not human.  (Queue Theremin music.)
> >
> > In the case of IH, we don’t even have that much history.  People and
> > AIs have created long lists of candidates and ruled every one of them
> > out.
> >
> > The first sign we see in the records is mild fevers.  Later food bills
> > showed there was an increase in the appetite of people living in
> > nursing homes.  This happened in so many places at almost the same
> > time that it was impossible to find the origin, even to the country.
> > Over the next 3 months, there was a rapid drop in the number of
> > nursing home residents who died.  Bed ulcers cleared up, and the worst
> > dementia cases became more aware of their surroundings.
> >
> > This attracted the attention of researchers who discovered that old
> > people (and those in contact with them) were shedding a giant virus
> > that evaded the immune system.  It didn't seem to be doing any harm;
> > in fact, it seemed to be behind the improvements and frank de-aging of
> > the patients.  One of the last people who caught IH was Nancy
> > McCarthy.  McCarthy was 85 and nearly blind.  She lived alone in a
> > forested area.  McCarthy probably picked up the IH virus from the box
> > of groceries she had delivered every week.  The IH viruses were not
> > very contagious, so it took a few months for her to be infected.  She
> > didn’t pay much attention to the news and was surprised when her
> > vision started to sharpen beyond the vague blotches she was used to.
> > At the same time, she started having twinges that reminded her of
> > growing pains from her long-ago youth.  This was a known side effect
> > of IH that usually wore off in a week or two, but not knowing what it
> > was worried her to the point she called her son’s doctor, a rare event
> > since she almost never sought medical attention.  By this point, the
> > demand for medical services had fallen to the point that doctors were
> > making house calls when asked.  Dr. Harris and Jane Sanders, a nurse
> > from his office (who also had little to do), came out.  Having seen
> > such cases, Dr. Harris reassured McCarthy that what she had was not
> > harmful, in fact, just the opposite.  Growing younger was not an
> > entirely agreeable proposition for people expecting death; however,
> > people, even old folks, can get used to just about anything.
> > Especially when they hurt less.
> >
> > Nursing homes were not the only signs; emergency room visits declined,
> > and the incidence of heart attacks and cancer diagnoses disappeared.
> > Unlike the COVID pandemic, where they were swamped, funeral homes were
> > now devastated.
> >
> > The other and somewhat unnerving effect was that the number of
> > unwanted pregnancies fell to near zero.  Third births became uncommon,
> > and a fourth child was practically unknown.  This was accompanied by
> > an increase in early miscarriages.  There were no Down syndrome cases
> > at all.  The population was still growing slightly because the death
> > rate had fallen so much.
> >
> > Within a few months, the nursing home patients were taking walks, even
> > the ones who had been confined to wheelchairs.  Most of the nursing
> > homes closed, and the ones left became boarding houses for former
> > patients.
> >
> > Hospitals emptied, and the collapse of the medical profession was
> > threatening the economy.  The economic effects on the medical
> > profession were devastating.  Medical services were nearly 15% of the
> > US economy.
> >
> >  Profits for medical insurance companies went briefly through the roof
> > with claims declining to near zero, then fell to almost nothing as
> > people dropped their no longer needed medical insurance.  Injuries
> > still happened, but unless they were extreme, fatalities were rare
> > since healing was rapid and complete.  The effect was much like the
> > alien who lived between the calls of larger animals in the Hal Clement
> > story _Needle_.
> >
> > Others were hard hit, particularly young women.  Because women live
> > longer than men, between 7 and 8 million more rejuvenated women were
> > competing for men.  The old but now young-looking women knew what they
> > wanted.  One response was informal polygamy, like what happened in
> > Paraguay after 90% of the males were killed in a war.  Others took
> > advantage of the Chinese excess of males.  Only about half a million
> > moved to China (by this point, translation devices were really good;
> > the alternative was neural plasticity drugs and learning Chinese).
> > Four million Chinese men established relations over the internet and
> > moved to the US.  It helped, but the new May/December controversy
> > became 80-year-old women marrying 20-year-old men.  Of course, by this
> > point, the old women looked like they were 20 to 25.  A few of them,
> > mostly women who had wanted children but never had them, became
> > pregnant, causing a mini baby boom.
> >
> > The governments, desperate for workers, dosed them with neural
> > plasticity drugs and sent them off to high school.
> >
> > (incomplete suggestions welcome.)
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> > Keith
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