[ExI] Uploads are self

Tue Mar 24 12:49:13 UTC 2026

On Tue, 24 Mar 2026 at 11:47, Stefano Ticozzi via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> Thanks a lot, Ben! Joe Strout's website is extremely clear, and I too
> agree with a large percentage of its content. The only drawback is that
> most of the content is quite dated. Is there a more up-to-date version
> elsewhere?
> ciao,
> stefano ticozzi
> _______________________________________________

I have been following this discussion with Grok AI, so I asked Grok for
some more up-to-date websites.
BillK

Grok 4,20 AI -

Yes, several more recent (or actively maintained) websites and online hubs
serve a similar role to Joe Strout’s classic 1990s–2000s *Mind Uploading
Home Page* — acting as directories, educational resources, roadmaps,
discussion platforms, and technical hubs for *whole brain emulation (WBE)*
and *mind uploading*. While none is an exact 1:1 archival replica (the
field has evolved from pure speculation toward concrete neuroscience,
connectomics, and open-source tools), the closest modern equivalents focus
on technical roadmaps, verification frameworks, community coordination, and
philosophical/technical FAQs.

Here are the strongest current options, roughly in order of how closely
they resemble Strout’s comprehensive, centralized directory style:
1. Carboncopies.org (and its daughter site minduploading.org)

This is the clearest successor and most frequently recommended modern hub.

   - *Carboncopies Foundation* — A nonprofit dedicated to advancing WBE and
   substrate-independent minds (SIM). It includes research roadmaps
   (continuously updated from the 2008 Sandberg/Bostrom classic), ethics
   discussions, learning resources, workshops, volunteer opportunities, and a
   community network. It explicitly addresses technical challenges, the WBE
   roadmap, and practical steps toward emulation.
   - It links to or relaunched *minduploading.org
   <http://minduploading.org>* (mentioned as a dedicated site for the
   concept of mind uploading).
   - Additional project: *BrainGenix* (braingenix.org) — an open-source
   research platform for brain emulation, neural morphogenesis, simulation,
   and the “Brain Emulation Challenge.” This adds a strong hands-on,
   software/tools focus that Strout’s site lacked.

Carboncopies functions as a central gathering point for experts, similar to
how Strout’s site once did, with active newsletters, blogs on topics like
“What is Whole Brain Emulation?”, FAQs distinguishing WBE from mind
uploading, and discussions of identity/continuity issues.
2. Mind-Upload.com (Mind-Upload Verification Commons)

A more recent, structured site explicitly designed to break mind
uploading/WBE into “small, testable tasks” and turn it into measurable
science.

   - Features a wiki with learning maps, WBE basics, public reading guides,
   datasets, and a long-form perspective on
   measurement/decoding/implementation.
   - Emphasizes verification frameworks, functional equivalence, technical
   roadmaps, and avoiding untestable claims — very much in the spirit of
   Strout’s organized resource lists but with a stronger
   scientific/verification bent.
   - Includes sections on datasets, limits of current approaches, and an
   integrated technical/theoretical approach.

This feels like a natural evolution: more focused on making progress
verifiable rather than just compiling links.
3. Supporting or complementary resources

   - *EBRAINS* (from the Human Brain Project, now continued as
   infrastructure): https://www.humanbrainproject.eu/ or the EBRAINS
   platform. Offers brain atlases, simulations, data services, and tools for
   multi-scale modeling (molecular to whole-brain). More of a research
   infrastructure than a philosophical directory, but it provides the actual
   data and simulation resources that early uploading sites could only dream
   about.
   - Wikipedia’s “Mind uploading” page and related entries (e.g., on
   connectomics or specific projects) serve as living overviews with extensive
   references, though not a standalone “home page.”
   - Niche or project-specific sites, such as Eon Systems’ updates
   (eon.systems) on embodied brain emulation (e.g., recent fly connectome
   work), or academic roadmaps like the Asimov Press article on scaling brain
   emulation models. These are narrower but often link back to the broader
   ecosystem.
   - Community-driven spots like certain Reddit threads (r/transhumanism)
   or LessWrong posts occasionally curate reading lists that echo Strout’s
   style, but they’re not dedicated websites.

Key differences from Strout’s original site

   - *Shift from speculation to engineering* — Modern sites integrate real
   progress (fruit-fly connectomes, BrainGenix simulations, multi-beam
   electron microscopy, etc.) and emphasize open datasets, challenges, and
   falsifiable milestones rather than pure philosophy.
   - *Community and action-oriented* — Carboncopies and Mind-Upload
   actively recruit volunteers, run workshops, and push verification/commons
   approaches.
   - *Roadmap focus* — Many still reference or update the 2008
   Sandberg/Bostrom “Whole Brain Emulation: A Roadmap,” but they layer on
   current bottlenecks (translation from scan data to simulatable models,
   fidelity metrics, embodiment).
   - *Identity and ethics* — These topics remain prominent (FAQs and blog
   posts address continuity, branching, and the “is it really you?” question
   we’ve discussed), but they’re often framed alongside practical ethics
   frameworks.

Strout’s site remains valuable as historical context (and is still
occasionally linked from these newer ones), but the field has decentralized
into foundations, wikis, open-source platforms, and research orgs. If
you’re looking for a single “homepage” feel today, start with *carboncopies.org
<http://carboncopies.org>* for breadth/community and *mind-upload.com
<http://mind-upload.com>* for structured, testable progress.

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