[ExI] They're Made out of Meat

Thu May 28 16:55:04 UTC 2026

On Thu, May 28, 2026, 9:23 AM BillK via extropy-chat <
extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 May 2026 at 17:25, Jason Resch via extropy-chat <
> extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org> wrote:
>
>> Brilliant point! And actually I think we could improve on that distance
>> calculation quite a bit by computing the volume of the smallest possible
>> intelligent life form, and doing a similar calculation as Tegmark did for
>> us.
>>
>> My understanding is he calculated something like proton present/not
>> present for the entire volume of a given space containing you, determined
>> the number of possible combinations, and then figured how much volume you
>> would need to explore to find that configuration repeated again arising by
>> random chance (assuming all proton present/not present) combinations are
>> equally likely.
>>
>> It can be much improved by considering that appearance of something like
>> you is not random like a Boltzmann brain, but selected for by a process of
>> evolution, which makes appearances of such states significantly favored
>> over random chance. However the math around such optimizations is quite
>> complex to say the least.
>>
>> Jason
>>
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>
> As the math is complex, ��, I thought I'd try to get Gemini to do the math.
>

It's mainly complex because we don't know how to compute from first
physical/chemical principles how easy abiogenesis is -- we don't even
understand how the first life came to be here, nor do we have the means or
understanding to compute the likelihood of intelligent life arising once
basic cellular life exists. I don't think Gemini can help. ;-)

I asked Gemini to estimate the chance of finding either cellular life or
> human-level life within our observable universe.
> Gemini agreed that the math was complex, mainly because we have to
> estimate whether the creation of life was a statistical fluke or a regular
> occurrence.
>

Yes.

Even if the creation of cellular life is common, evolution to human-level
> intelligence is unlikely.
>

I don't think we know enough to say whether it's likely or unlikely.

Gemini's conclusion is *that there is a high probability that we are
> entirely alone as an intelligent species within our observable horizon.*
>

We don't know enough to quantify that. It's possible that intelligent life
is that unlikely, but no one has demonstrated it.

>
> A sad conclusion to our hope of finding alien civilisations.
> See Full Report below.
> BillK
>

I've written about this here:

https://alwaysasking.com/are-we-alone/

Jason

> Gemini Flash AI 3.5 Extended Thinking -
>
> To transition from Tegmark's infinite space to our *observable universe*,
> we go from infinite certainty to a strictly bounded sandbox.
>
>    -
>
>    *Total stars in the observable universe:* approx 10^22 to 10^24
>    -
>
>    *Total potentially habitable planets:* approx 10^21 to 10^22
>
> With roughly 10^22 "trial runs" available within our cosmic horizon, here
> is how the mathematics split between simple cellular life and human-level
> intelligence.
> 1. The Chance of Finding Cellular Life
>
> The emergence of cellular life depends entirely on the probability of
> *abiogenesis*—the transition from raw chemistry to a self-replicating
> metabolic system.
>
> If we define $\lambda$ as the transition rate of abiogenesis per
> planet-year, the probability ($P$) of life arising on a single planet
> over its habitable lifetime $T$ is given by the standard Poisson
> formulation:
> $$P = 1 - e^{-\lambda T}$$
>
> Because we only have a sample size of one (Earth), our scientific
> uncertainty regarding the value of $\lambda$ spans hundreds of orders of
> magnitude. This creates a starkly *bifurcated (all-or-nothing)*
> statistical landscape:
>
>    -
>
>    *The Optimistic Regime:* If $\lambda$ is larger than 10^-22 per
>    planet-lifetime, chemical self-organization is a robust thermodynamic
>    feature of planetary environments. In this scenario, cellular life is a
>    statistical certainty, thriving on billions of worlds.
>    -
>
>    *The Pessimistic Regime:* If abiogenesis requires an incredibly
>    specific, non-repeating sequence of random molecular impacts where
>    $\lambda$ is smaller than 10^-100, then the 10^22 planets in our
>    universe are nowhere near enough. Earth is a localized freak accident.
>
> *The Estimate:* When astrophysicists and statisticians (such as Sandberg,
> Drexler, and Ord in their work on distilling cosmic uncertainty) model this
> using a log-uniform distribution to reflect our lack of a precise chemical
> baseline, the math heavily tilts toward the optimistic regime. Even when
> accounting for the worst-case scenarios, the *probability that cellular
> life exists elsewhere in the observable universe sits around 70% to 80%*.
> 2. The Chance of Finding Human-Level Intelligence
>
> Once simple cells are established, evolutionary selection begins to
> optimize. However, creating human-level intelligence requires passing
> through several highly improbable *Critical Evolutionary Transitions*
> (often modeled as the "Carter Hard Steps").
>
> If the time it takes for intelligence to evolve ($T_{\text{evolve}}$) is
> roughly the same order of magnitude as the stable lifespan of its host star
> ($T_{\text{star}}$), it implies that progress is blocked by a small
> number of exceptionally rare stochastic bottlenecks. On Earth, it took a
> massive 4 billion years out of the Sun's estimated 10-billion-year lifespan
> to produce technological intelligence.
>
> These multiplicative "hard steps" typically include:
>
>    1.
>
>    *Eukaryogenesis:* The incredibly rare endosymbiosis where two distinct
>    prokaryotic cells merged to create complex cells. This appears to have
>    happened exactly *once* in Earth's history.
>    2.
>
>    *Complex Multicellularity:* Transitioning from simple cell colonies to
>    highly differentiated, coordinated organ systems.
>    3.
>
>    *Advanced Encephalization:* Allocating massive metabolic resources to
>    build high-energy brains capable of abstract conceptual mapping.
>    4.
>
>    *Symbolic Language & Tool Use:* The leap from baseline animal
>    intelligence to compounding technological culture.
>
> Because these filters compound multiplicatively, the probability of a
> life-bearing planet producing a technological observer drops exponentially
> with each step.
>
> *The Estimate:* When running a comprehensive Monte Carlo simulation that
> factors in the full mathematical range of uncertainty for these
> evolutionary filters, the probability distribution flattens significantly.
> The models reveal a *38% to 51% chance that we are entirely alone as an
> intelligent species in the observable universe* (and up to a 99% chance
> we are alone in our own galaxy).
> Comparative Summary
> *Metric* *Primary Determinants* *Probability of Existing Elsewhere in the
> Observable Universe*
> *Cellular Life* Chemical abiogenesis, thermodynamic gradients, organic
> synthesis. *~70% to 80%* (Highly polarized: likely everywhere or
> absolutely nowhere).
> *Human-Level Intelligence* Compounding evolutionary filters
> (Eukaryogenesis, multicellularity, encephalization, symbolic language). *~49%
> to 62%* (Substantial probability of cosmic solitude due to compounding
> "hard steps").
>
> While evolution is an exceptionally powerful optimization engine, it can
> only work with the material it is given. It easily optimizes cellular life
> into complex biospheres once the machinery exists, but the sheer number of
> mandatory, independent structural bottlenecks required to reach a
> technological observer means that within our finite horizon of 46.5 billion
> light-years, humanity may well be the only entity currently looking back
> out at the dark.
>
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