[Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
waluk at earthlink.net
Thu Nov 11 03:44:45 UTC 2004
A revampment of our political process regarding the obsolete Electoral
College is an issue that I bet many disenfranchised Americans will rally
around. Of what benefit does the Electoral College serve? I think this
entity is a dinosaur preventing the true dispersal of Democracy in America.
One person one vote is how I see democracy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D." <ljohnson at solution-consulting.com>
To: "The new improved paleopsych list" <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
> RE: elec college, a good point. What good is it? The founding fathers
> distrusted two things:
> - government (jefferson)
> - democracy (hamilton)
> So the checks and balances are designed to prevent government from getting
> strong and democracy from disenfranchising the minorities. When people
> throw those aside, tragedy often results.
> So the main advantage of the electoral college was to protect small
> states. Shifts in the reality may have made those moot. But a change
> requires a constitutional amendment, a nortoriously hard process.
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>> Re-electing "everyone" at a date no later than 2006 is a dangerous
>> proposition especially if our country turns into one huge red zone with
>> only tiny pockets for blues.
>> I think the reason provisional votes were not counted was because Bush
>> received the number of Electoral College votes he needed to win. If
>> reform is needed, we should begin with a critical review of benefits from
>> the Electoral College. From where I stand, I can't see any.
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>> Independent Scholar
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hovland"
>> <shovland at mindspring.com>
>> To: "'Geraldine Reinhardt'" <waluk at earthlink.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:54 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>> The justification given for not doing a paper trail now was
>>> that there wasn't time. As a working computer jock, I
>>> don't buy that. This problem was spotted many months
>>> before the election. Practical solutions were demonstrated
>>> and rejected.
>>> I think everyone who was on the ballot, both Democrat and
>>> Republican, is there by fraud and that they should all be
>>> required to stand again no later than 2006, this time with
>>> hardened voting systems.
>>> The other part of getting everyone to vote is that every vote must
>>> be counted. As I recall the election was considered to be
>>> settled even though many provisional votes weren't counted.
>>> The excuse was that those votes probably wouldn't have
>>> changed the outcome. That might have been true, but it is
>>> also true that for people to believe in the system, no decision
>>> should be finalized until all legitimate votes have been counted
>>> and all possibility of fraud has been ruled out.
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geraldine Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:59 AM
>>> To: Steve Hovland
>>> Cc: paleopsych at paleopsych.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] The prefection of democracy
>>> I think most Americans, especially those who don't use computers on a
>>> basis or who don't own one, like the idea of being "up to date". They
>>> a sense of pride and accomplishment when they complete their ballot via
>>> machine and smug when they view another voter experiencing some
>>> with the "new" technology.
>>> A paper trail, similar to a readout tape on an adding machine, sounded
>>> in theory but too costly to implement especially when less than 2% of
>>> voting public actually used a paper ballot . As I mentioned
>>> previously, in
>>> my precinct, only 5 people had requested a paper ballot. This proved to
>>> a bit annoying for me since there were 5 voting machines for the
>>> majority of
>>> voters, and 1 voting booth for those wishing a paper ballot. That could
>>> have been one reason why the voting lines were so long.
>>> It's humorous that you claim the majority in Congress were put there by
>>> voting fraud. I wonder if they know who they are?
>>> If the purpose of a democracy is to allow everyone, regardless of race
>>> sex, the right to vote, then we may have achieved our goal, perfect or
>>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>>> Independent Scholar
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