[Paleopsych] Disappearing Democrats?

Sun Nov 28 19:10:04 UTC 2004

> Some of those politicians will describe themselves as
> Democrats, but they won't be Bill Clinton's 
> Democrats.
> More like Green Democrats.

Will your Green Democrats support an alternative energy 
source (other than fossil fuels) or will they be overly 
eager proponents of Saving the Redwoods?  Likewise, 
those who support "StR" could also be against Saving 
the Whales.

How many more degrees of decentralization are necessary 
before the light clicks on and one sees reality as a 
global issue and not specific to a given nation.

Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Independent Scholar
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" 
<paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] Disappearing Democrats?

> This afternoon when I was planting bulbs it occurred 
> to
> me that the Republican party may soon arrive at a 
> position
> similar to that of a football team that runs the same
> successful plays too many times.
>
> Eventually their opponents learn to see them coming
> and the plays no longer work.
>
> Many of the techniques the Republicans have used
> to gain ground in the last years or decades can be
> turned against them.
>
> If their propaganda is defeated then only the results 
> of
> their positions will remain to be judged by the 
> voters.
>
> I basically think that the Democrats have become the
> left wing of the elite party, and have little to 
> contribute.
>
> That may be the reason why most of the post-election
> ferment is being generated by many people other than
> the establishment Democrats.
>
> I suspect that a large part of the Democratic base is 
> in
> play and may quickly shift to politicians who can
> articulate their concerns and values.
>
> Some of those politicians will describe themselves as
> Democrats, but they won't be Bill Clinton's 
> Democrats.
> More like Green Democrats.
>
> Steve Hovland
> www.stevehovland.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. 
> [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 9:27 PM
> To: The new improved paleopsych list
> Subject: [Paleopsych] Disappearing Democrats?
>
> Gerry,
>    It would be very bad for the country. Dialog helps 
> create better
> solutions. But the premise is a weak one. The 
> democrats will not
> disappear, and the notion that the repubs can somehow 
> get rid of them
> doesn't make sense. The dems may be in the same 
> position the repubs were
> in from 1930 to 1980, a minority party with old, 
> tired ideas. There may
> be 50 years in the wilderness, so to speak, due to 
> demographic trends.
>    What I hope for is some really ingenious and 
> innovative thinking
> from the dems. Currently the most interesting ideas 
> come from the
> moderate to conservatives, like the flat tax, social 
> security reform,
> and so on. In the traditional sense, the democrats 
> have become
> conservatives, opposing change to the 60 year old 
> welfare state, and the
> Republicans have become the liberals, embracing 
> change and creating new
> ideas.
>    Also bear in mind that American Conservatives are 
> sui generis, and
> cannot be associated with conservatives in any other 
> part of the world.
> The right wing in this country is emphatically not 
> about privilege or
> power, and that is why the democrats failed to win 
> enough hearts and
> minds this election. They are fighting straw men of 
> their own make
> (e.g., Edwards two americas argument).  Hence my 
> anxiety about our
> country. We cannot flourish if the loyal opposition 
> doesn't become
> creative and challenging. I hope for a stronger 
> democratic party because
> it makes both parties more vibrant.
> Lynn
>
> Geraldine Reinhardt wrote:
>
>>
>> If you substitute the word viewpoint for prejudice, 
>> your sentence
>> below should make more sense.
>>
>> My question concerned the initiation of a one-party 
>> system.
>> Apparently you disapprove of such a setup. Please 
>> explain.
>>
>> Gerry
>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hovland"
>> <shovland at mindspring.com>
>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'" 
>> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:47 PM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] Re: Disinfopedia
>>
>>
>>> We all tend to think that sources that reflect
>>> our own prejudices are objective.
>>>
>>> A lot of liberals listen to right wing media.
>>>
>>> How many conservatives listen to Air America?
>>>
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt 
>>> [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 5:19 PM
>>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] Re: Disinfopedia
>>>
>>>>> This looks like a very useful site.  But there's 
>>>>> a conundrum.  The
>>>>> Center
>>>>
>>> For Media and Democracy is a special interest group 
>>> with a prejudged and
>>> premeditated point of view.  It's also a public 
>>> relations machine.  A
>>> successful one. >>
>>>
>>> Howard,
>>>
>>> CMD staff members Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber 
>>> have finished writing
>>> their fifth book, Banana Republicans: How the Right 
>>> Wing Is Turning
>>> America
>>> Into a One-Party State. It's now in bookstores, or 
>>> you can order it
>>> online.
>>> You can also find chapter summaries, an excerpt, 
>>> and reviews of the
>>> book on
>>> our new Banana Republicans website.
>>>
>>> Are those who wish to turn America into a One-Party 
>>> State considered
>>> "undemocratic".  Or un-bananarepublican?  After a 
>>> "skim" at election
>>> results worldwide it would appear that initiating a 
>>> one party system
>>> (for
>>> the present time) is not an unacceptable idea. 
>>> Could you explain your
>>> calling The Center For Media and Democracy a 
>>> prejudged and premeditated
>>> group?  Is it only because they supported the 
>>> Hutu-Tutsi conflict?
>>> Presently I have very few bones to pick with The 
>>> Center.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gerry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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