[Paleopsych] Re: From Eshel--A Glitch in Genetic-centrism

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Sun Apr 3 03:39:12 UTC 2005


 
 
These are good guesses, Greg.  Your suggestion that some of the  missing 
pattern of the gene-that-never-was in the mustard plant with a double  set of 
mutated genes could be in the cytosol is evocative.
 
Bear with me while I run a string of thought that even I find difficult to  
believe.  Eshel and Joel Isaacson feel there's validity to some strange  
research on water, research indicating that water is capable to carry  "imprints" of 
influences as vague as thoughts and as the label on the  bottle.  Cytosol is 
the water and water-soluble components of the cell, the  stuff that's left 
when you get rid of the cell membrane, the nucleus, the  organelles and the 
cytoskeleton.  
 
If it's true that water bears layer after layer of memory, layer after  layer 
of imprints from trace chemicals that have long since been removed and  other 
such things, then, indeed, the water itself could play a part in the  
construction of a "proper", "whole" gene to replace the two mangled genes in the  
mutated arabidopsis.  I suspect that the reconstruction of a gene the  mutated 
aradidopsis never possessed isn't a serial process by any stretch of the  
imagination.  I suspect it's a very orchestral process in which numerous  influences 
inside of the cell and outside of the cell participate.
 
A cell is constantly receiving information about what form it should take,  
what specialization it should adopt, and what it should be doing at this 
precise  second from genes around it and, I supsect in a sense, from the entire 
plant  it's a part of--not to mention the signals an individual plant receives  
from the plant community and from the eco-system that plant  community has 
carved out.
 
As Jeff Hawkins points out in On Intelligence, this multi-level process of  
signal transduction, this process of signal receiving and signal summing, isn't 
 static.  It moves continuously, like music.  And like the music of a  
symphony, the message may be digested down to a simple sequence in each  receiver.  
One of those receivers is the genome.  Another is  the segment of a genome 
called a gene.
 
Like Hawkins' neurons, the input coming to the genome includes delayed  
feedback on its previous actions...and on the actions of previous generations of  
plants.  
 
So take the mysterious and possibly non-existent ability of water to hold a  
"memory". Add it to the smarts in roughly 300 million macromolecules of the 
cell  and in the grander pattern they form.  Add all that in to a hierarchy of  
contexts that extend shell by shell like an infinite onion, and you may have a 
 partial explanation for the counter-Mendelian ability of a mustard plant to  
generate a gene it never possessed but one that its neighbors and its 
ancestors  have had for a long, long time.  You may get the ability of the plant  to 
receive an almost infinite number of signals, sum them, and arrive at the  
right conclusion for each bit of space and time.  In this case the mustard  plant 
arrives at the right conclusion about what a corrected version of its  
damaged hothead gene should be like.
 
By the way, Pavel Kurakin suggests that a similar hierarchical summation of  
the entire cosmos gets fed into the "decision" of a single quantum particle 
when  it "picks" which receptor device it should move to.  Or at least Pavel  
suggests this in the interpretation of his work I've been trying to smuggle into 
 a paper he and I are working on that compares the decision-making of quantum 
 particles to the decision-making of bees.
 
Howard
 
In a message dated 4/1/2005 8:55:19 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
ursus at earthlink.net writes:

 
This fabulous bit of  science is very evocative. 
My best guess is that  such “pattern memory”—while some of it could be 
stored in cytosol elements,  etc.,--is most likely stored in the vast unexplored 
territories of “junk”  DNA—perhaps in fragments of genes, pseudogenes, etc., 
with non-gene RNA  elements acting as controls, inhibitors, etc. 
Could be wrong, but  this sort of reconstructive memory does seem essential 
to  life. 
Best! 
Greg 
 
  
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A mechanism central to Jeff Hawkins' analysis of  the way brains work in his 
On Intelligence may provide a clue to the  manner in which plants with copies 
of a damaged gene from both their  father and their mother manage to "recover" 
or reconstruct something  they never had-- a flawless copy of the gene 
they've received only  in damaged form.
 

 
Hawkins brings up a neural network trick called  auto-associative memory.  
Here's his description of how it  works:

 

 
"Instead of only passing information  forward...auto-associative memories fed 
the output of each neuron back  into the input....  When a pattern of 
activity was imposed on the  artificial neurons, they formed a memory of this 
pattern. ...To  retrieve a pattern stored in such a memory, you must provide the  
pattern you want to retrieve. ....The most important property is that  you don't 
have to have the entire pattern you want to retrieve in  order to retrieve it. 
 You might have only part of the pattern,  or you might have a somewhat 
messed-up pattern.  The  auto-associative memory can retrieve the correct pattern, 
as it was  originally stored, even though you start with a messy version of  
it.  It would be like going to the grocer with half eaten brown  bananas and 
getting whole green bananas in return. ...Second, unlike  mist neural networks, 
an auto-associative memory can be designed to  store sequences of patterns, or 
temporal patterns.  This feature  is accomplished by adding time delay to the 
feedback. ...I might feed  in the first few notes of 'Twinkle, Twinkle Little 
Star' and the  memory returns the whole song.  When presented with part of 
the  sequence, the memory can recall the rest."   (Jeff Hawkins,  Sandra 
Blakeslee.  On Intelligence.  New York: Times Books,  2004: pp 46-47.)
 


 
Where would such auto-associative circuits exist  in a plant cell?  Here are 
some wild  guesses:
 

 
    *   In the entire cell, including its membrane,  its cytoplasm, its 
organelles, its metabolic processes,  and its genome; 

 
    *   

 
    *   Or in the entire cell and its context within  the plant, including 
the sort of input and output it gets from the  cells around it, the signals that 
tell it where and want it is  supposed to be in the plant's development and 
ongoing  roles. 

 
Howard
 

 
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New York  Times
March 23,  2005
Startling  Scientists, Plant Fixes Its Flawed Gene
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n  a startling discovery, geneticists at Purdue University say they have  
found plants that possess a corrected version of a defective gene  inherited from 
both their parents, as if some handy backup copy with the  right version had 
been made in the grandparents' generation or earlier.   
The finding  implies that some organisms may contain a cryptic backup copy of 
their  genome that bypasses the usual mechanisms of heredity. If confirmed, 
it  would represent an unprecedented exception to the laws of inheritance  
discovered by Gregor Mendel in the 19th century. Equally surprising, the  cryptic 
genome appears not to be made of DNA, the standard hereditary  material.  
The discovery  also raises interesting biological questions - including 
whether it gets  in the way of evolution, which depends on mutations changing an 
organism  rather than being put right by a backup system. 
"It looks like  a marvelous discovery," said Dr. Elliott Meyerowitz, a plant 
geneticist  at the California Institute of Technology. Dr. David Haig, an  
evolutionary biologist at Harvard, described the finding as "a really  strange 
and unexpected result," which would be important if the  observation holds up 
and applies widely in nature.  
The result,  reported online yesterday in the journal Nature by Dr. Robert E. 
Pruitt,  Dr. Susan J. Lolle and colleagues at Purdue, has been found in a 
single  species, the mustardlike plant called arabidopsis that is the standard  
laboratory organism of plant geneticists. But there are hints that the  same 
mechanism may occur in people, according to a commentary by Dr.  Detlef Weigel 
of the Max-Planck Institute for Developmental Biology in  Tübingen, Germany. 
Dr. Weigel describes the Purdue work as "a  spectacular discovery." 
The finding  grew out of a research project started three years ago in which 
Dr.  Pruitt and Dr. Lolle were trying to understand the genes that control  
the plant's outer skin, or cuticle. As part of the project, they were  studying 
plants with a mutated gene that made the plant's petals and  other floral 
organs clump together. Because each of the plant's two  copies of the gene were in 
mutated form, they had virtually no chance of  having normal offspring. 
But up to 10  percent of the plants' offspring kept reverting to normal. 
Various rare  events can make this happen, but none involve altering the actual  
sequence of DNA units in the gene. Yet when the researchers analyzed the  
mutated gene, known as hothead, they found it had changed, with the  mutated DNA 
units being changed back to normal form. 
"That was the  moment when it was a complete shock," Dr. Pruitt said. 
A  mutated gene can be put right by various mechanisms that are already  
known, but all require a correct copy of the gene to be available to  serve as the 
template. The Purdue team scanned the DNA of the entire  arabidopsis genome 
for a second, cryptic copy of the hothead gene but  could find none. 
Dr. Pruitt and  his colleagues argue that a correct template must exist, but 
because it  is not in the form of DNA, it probably exists as RNA, DNA's close  
chemical cousin. RNA performs many important roles in the cell, and is  the 
hereditary material of some viruses. But it is less stable than DNA,  and so 
has been regarded as unsuitable for preserving the genetic  information of 
higher organisms. 
Dr. Pruitt said  he favored the idea that there is an RNA backup copy for the 
entire  genome, not just the hothead gene, and that it might be set in motion 
 when the plant was under stress, as is the case with those having  mutated 
hothead genes.  
He  and other experts said it was possible that an entire RNA backup copy of  
the genome could exist without being detected, especially since there  has 
been no reason until now to look for it. 
Scientific  journals often take months or years to get comfortable with 
articles  presenting novel ideas. But Nature accepted the paper within six weeks  
of receiving it. Dr. Christopher Surridge, a biology editor at Nature,  said 
the finding had been discussed at scientific conferences for quite  a while, 
with people saying it was impossible and proposing alternative  explanations. But 
the authors had checked all these out and disposed of  them, Dr. Surridge 
said.  
As  for their proposal of a backup RNA genome, "that is very much a  
hypothesis, and basically the least mad hypothesis for how this might be  working," 
Dr. Surridge said. 
Dr. Haig, the  evolutionary biologist, said that the finding was fascinating 
but that  it was too early to try to interpret it. He noted that if there was 
a  cryptic template, it ought to be more resistant to mutation than the DNA  
it helps correct. Yet it is hard to make this case for RNA, which  accumulates 
many more errors than DNA when it is copied by the  cell. 
He  said that the mechanism, if confirmed, would be an unprecedented  
exception to Mendel's laws of inheritance, since the DNA sequence itself  is changed. 
Imprinting, an odd feature of inheritance of which Dr. Haig  is a leading 
student, involves inherited changes to the way certain  genes are activated, not 
to the genes themselves. 
The finding  poses a puzzle for evolutionary theory because it corrects 
mutations,  which evolution depends on as generators of novelty. Dr. Meyerowitz 
said  he did not see this posing any problem for evolution because it seems to  
happen only rarely. "What keeps Darwinian evolution intact is that this  only 
happens when there is something wrong," Dr. Surridge  said. 
The finding  could undercut a leading theory of why sex is necessary. Some 
biologists  say sex is needed to discard the mutations, almost all of them bad, 
that  steadily accumulate on the genome. People inherit half of their genes  
from each parent, which allows the half left on the cutting room floor  to 
carry away many bad mutations. Dr. Pruitt said the backup genome  could be 
particularly useful for self-fertilizing plants, as arabidopsis  is, since it could 
help avoid the adverse effects of inbreeding. It  might also operate in the 
curious organisms known as bdelloid rotifers  that are renowned for not having 
had sex for millions of years, an  abstinence that would be expected to 
seriously threaten their Darwinian  fitness. 
Dr. Pruitt  said it was not yet known if other organisms besides arabidopsis 
could  possess the backup system. Colleagues had been quite receptive to the  
idea because "biologists have gotten used to the unexpected," he said,  
referring to a spate of novel mechanisms that have recently come to  light, several 
involving RNA. 
 

 
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Howard  Bloom
Author of The Lucifer Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the  Forces of 
History and Global Brain: The Evolution of Mass Mind From The Big  Bang to the 
21st Century
Visiting Scholar-Graduate Psychology Department,  New York University; Core 
Faculty Member, The Graduate  Institute
www.howardbloom.net
www.bigbangtango.net
Founder:  International Paleopsychology Project; founding board member: Epic 
of  Evolution Society; founding board member, The Darwin Project; founder: The 
Big  Bang Tango Media Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences, American  
Association for the Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society,  
Academy of Political Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society,  
International Society for Human Ethology; advisory board member:  Youthactivism.org; 
executive editor -- New Paradigm book series.
For  information on The International Paleopsychology Project, see:  
www.paleopsych.org
for two chapters from 
The Lucifer Principle: A  Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History, 
see  www.howardbloom.net/lucifer
For information on Global Brain: The Evolution  of Mass Mind from the Big 
Bang to the 21st Century, see  www.howardbloom.net

 
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Howard Bloom
Author of The Lucifer Principle: A  Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of 
History and Global Brain: The Evolution  of Mass Mind From The Big Bang to the 
21st Century
Visiting Scholar-Graduate  Psychology Department, New York University; Core 
Faculty Member, The Graduate  Institute
www.howardbloom.net
www.bigbangtango.net
Founder:  International Paleopsychology Project; founding board member: Epic 
of Evolution  Society; founding board member, The Darwin Project; founder: The 
Big Bang Tango  Media Lab; member: New York Academy of Sciences, American 
Association for the  Advancement of Science, American Psychological Society, 
Academy of Political  Science, Human Behavior and Evolution Society, International 
Society for Human  Ethology; advisory board member: Youthactivism.org; 
executive editor -- New  Paradigm book series.
For information on The International Paleopsychology  Project, see: 
www.paleopsych.org
for two chapters from 
The Lucifer  Principle: A Scientific Expedition Into the Forces of History, 
see  www.howardbloom.net/lucifer
For information on Global Brain: The Evolution of  Mass Mind from the Big 
Bang to the 21st Century, see  www.howardbloom.net

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