[Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
Christian Rauh
christian.rauh at uconn.edu
Sun Aug 21 15:31:28 UTC 2005
Free flow of people should be tied to free flow of capital, let the
market equalize things.
Christian
Gerry Reinhart-Waller wrote:
> I think all of us grew up with grandparents or such who arrived in the
> U.S. expecting to be part of the great melting pot that America
> offered. Today, thoughts of merging have been replaced by ethnic
> diversity. What ethnic divisions create is group hatred, one for
> another. That's what is responsible for the crumbling of our society.
>
> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>
> Steve Hovland wrote:
>
>> It's eroding our society.
>>
>> I personally believe in the melting pot, not "diversity."
>>
>> Steve Hovland
>> www.stevehovland.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
>> Sent: Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor
>> In Wisconsin
>>
>> More thanks for Frank's efforts. This is exactly right. The fast-food
>> restaurant where I get my lunch salad used to be staffed by ordinary
>> causasians, often with obvious mild retardation. They were good
>> workers, and I enjoyed them. Now I can barely understand the girl at
>> the register and sometimes I have to ask her to say it in Spanish
>> because her English is so poor. I am deeply discouraged and
>> disillusioned by President Bush's attitude about illegal emmigration.
>> Lynn
>>
>> Premise Checker wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>> http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002938.html#002938
>>>
>>> 2005 August 14 Sunday
>>> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>>
>>> Over at [9]No Speed Bumps Dan reports on how [10]during a vacation
>>> trip in Wisconsin he found white people doing all the manual labor
>>> jobs that are done by Hispanics in Texas.
>>>
>>> Two weeks ago I vacationed near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. One thing
>>> strikingly different than living in Texas was that there were few
>>> Hispanics. In Texas, Hispanics are found in all walks of life, from
>>> doctors to janitors.
>>>
>>> With so many impoverished Hispanics illegally moving to Texas over
>>> the southern border each year, they have taken over most of the
>>> lower-skill jobs because they will work for less than American
>>> citizens. Go to any restaurant, hotel, or construction site and all
>>> of the basic manual labor tasks are being done by low-income
>>> Hispanics.
>>>
>>> Anyway, while on vacation, in the hotels we stayed in all of the
>>> maid staff and other help were white. The same was true of all of
>>> the restaurants we ate in, from the cooks, to the bus boys, to the
>>> grounds keepers. I felt like we were in a time machine and in a
>>> strange land.
>>>
>>> An interesting note about the maid staff at the hotels was the good
>>> cheer that they were in. They were constantly chatting among
>>> themselves and seemed very content as they went about their work.
>>> This reminded me that, yes, there is dignity to manual labor, and
>>> yes, white people can still do manual labor.
>>>
>>> This runs counter to the fashionable argument today justifying the
>>> open border policy with Mexico. The argument goes that America
>>> could just not function without all of the low-skill workers coming
>>> in to do all of the manual labor. Well, that is ridiculous. It may
>>> drive prices up some, if American citizens (whether white, black,
>>> or any other race) must do the work but the work will still get
>>> done, one way or another.
>>>
>>> One of the big whopper lies told by open borders advocates such as
>>> George W. Bush is that there are "jobs that Americans won't do". This
>>> is nonsense. One only need travel to those places where the bulk of
>>> the population is still white to see that this claim is false
>>> propaganda.
>>>
>>> As for the argument that a lack of cheap immigrant labor will drive up
>>> prices, it rests on three fallacies:
>>> * That low skilled labor makes up much of total costs. Wrong-o
>>> sleigh bell lovers. The bottom quintile of the United States
>>> population earns [11]only 3.5% of national income. 20% get 3.5%.
>>> If we deported all the illegal aliens and stopped all low skiilled
>>> and moderate skilled immigration the bottom 20% would see some
>>> significant increase in their wages. But that increase would be
>>> unlikely raise total prices by even a couple of percent. We don't
>>> pay them that much. A 10% or 20% increase in their salaries won't
>>> matter much to the rest of the population.
>>> * That there are no substitutes for cheap labor. Again, wrong-o
>>> sleigh bell lovers. Necessity is the mother of invention. In all
>>> likelihood, faced with higher labor costs industry would be more
>>> eager to develop and buy more capital equipment and to arrange the
>>> methods of purveying goods and services to decrease the amount of
>>> labor needed. In fact, we have an example available for what the
>>> lack of cheap immigrant labor will do to an industry. [12]The
>>> Australian wine industry is more automated than the American wine
>>> industry due to lack of cheap immigrant labor in Australia. Ben
>>> Franklin was right. We'd advance more rapidly without simple minds
>>> available to do simple tasks cheaply.
>>> * That there are no external costs to cheap unskilled immigrant
>>> labor. And once again, wrong-o sleigh bell lovers. Low skilled
>>> laborers can not afford to pay for their own medical care. They
>>> don't pay enough in taxes to pay for the educations of their
>>> children. They do not make enough to pay for their retirements in
>>> the United States. The list goes on. Oh, and they commit crime at
>>> higher rates. So they cost crime victims and also the criminal
>>> justice system. A year for an inmate at Rikers Island in New York
>>> costs $47,000. Criminals are expensive for the rest of us in many
>>> ways.
>>>
>>> The Open Borders advocates are deeply dishonest. America's elites are
>>> corrupt. They lie. They can not be trusted. America is going down a
>>> very wrong path. Our leaders in business and politics are to blame.
>>> But so are apathetic members of the public. It is time to wake up and
>>> demand a stop to massive immigration. The costs have become far too
>>> high and will be with us for decades to come.
>>> By Randall Parker at 2005 August 14 06:44 PM [13]Immigration
>>> Economics | [14]TrackBack
>>> Comments
>>>
>>> in vermont too. many more latinos work in oregon than 10 years ago
>>> though, and i hear that similar things are going on in the south. i
>>> suspect that for a variety of reasons the upper midwest and new
>>> england (distance, climate, cost of living) will resist latino labor
>>> the longest.
>>> Posted by: [15]razib on August 14, 2005 08:55 PM
>>>
>>> Resistance is futile. Viva La Rasa.
>>> Posted by: [16]Mark on August 14, 2005 10:59 PM
>>>
>>> There would be a net savings from reversing the antimerit immigrant
>>> flow, some of which would be passed on to the consumers. If the bottom
>>> 20% gets paid so little that their wages could double without the rich
>>> even noticing it, shifting 4% of the total income away from the top
>>> 80% over several years, that is a worthwhile price to pay. There is no
>>> economic need to increase the size of the bottom end; it isn't about
>>> money, it's about power. How to get power, when there are no ideas;
>>> won't they use immigration to increase racial conflict, and say that
>>> officials must have more power?
>>> Posted by: [17]John S Bolton on August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
>>>
>>> For some reason my trackbacks to this post don't take, so ping!
>>> Posted by: [18]Dave Schuler on August 15, 2005 07:47 AM
>>>
>>> Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana are alot like Wisconsin
>>> in that low end labor jobs are done primarly by whites. We have very
>>> few illegal aliens in this part of the country. This is good because
>>> we have much less of the "servant" culture that you see in California
>>> and other places. People clean their own homes and often do their own
>>> yard work. If you have someone else do these things, they are done by
>>> outside services operating more like independent business people
>>> rather than as "domestics". Not having the illegal immigrants means
>>> that we have a much more "do it yourself" mentality than, say, in
>>> Southern California.
>>>
>>> I do not like that "class" mentality that illegal immigration has
>>> produced in places like California and Texas. I think having distinct
>>> social classes, especially if they are of different races, is very
>>> destructive to the future of the U.S. The "open-borders" people need
>>> to be grilled over this issue.
>>> Posted by: [19]Kurt on August 15, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>
>>> razib - don't underestimate the number of mexicans in the upper
>>> midwest - chicago has the 2nd highest mexican population in the u.s.
>>> after l.a. granted this isn't wisconsin, but....
>>>
>>> randall - in a similar, practical manner that you approach alternative
>>> energy solutions, i.e. can't tell people to drive less or other
>>> inconveniences that would be a political non-starter in america today;
>>> what would be your political platform for immigration that would be
>>> politically feasible? i would love to know what you'd recommend,
>>> having put considerable thought to this issue, assuming something like
>>> you were an advisor to your senator. thanks.
>>> Posted by: [20]Jim on August 15, 2005 01:22 PM
>>>
>>> I spent a few days in Sierra Vista, AZ, a booming town about 15 miles
>>> north of the Mexican border. Strikingly, the maids in my motel were
>>> white, as were a lot of the other service workers. The answer to this
>>> paradox is that Sierra Vista is within the narrow band heavily policed
>>> by the Border Patrol. If illegal aliens are found there, they are
>>> deported. But if they make it far enough north to Tucson or Phoenix,
>>> well, they're Ollie Ollie Home Free.
>>> Posted by: [21]Steve Sailer on August 15, 2005 02:03 PM
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Perhaps I don't understand your question. Politically feasible? I
>>> think a candidate for the Presidency could run on a platform to deport
>>> all the illegals and win. The dollar cost to the government of
>>> deporting all the illegals would be pretty low.
>>>
>>> The anger about the immigrant deluge is building. But politicians are
>>> chasing the votes of Hispanics, the Democrats see them as a solid
>>> Democrat voting bloc (and they are), and some business interests want
>>> cheap labor.
>>>
>>> I'd tell a US Senator to submit a bill to fund a barrier along the
>>> entire length of the border. I'd also propose upping the number of
>>> Border Patrol by 20,000 and setting them loose in the interior with
>>> orders to round up all illegals. Congress should give instructions to
>>> DHS to resume interior enforcement.
>>> Posted by: [22]Randall Parker on August 15, 2005 03:33 PM
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 9. http://nospeedbumps.com/
>>> 10. http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=334
>>> 11. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1791.cfm
>>> 12. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002778.html
>>> 13. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_immigration_economics.html
>>> 14. http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=2938
>>> 15. http://www.gnxp.com/
>>> 16. mailto:dfsf at hotmail.com
>>> 17. http://www.johnsbolton.net/
>>> 18. http://www.theglitteringeye.com/
>>> 19. mailto:kurt2100kimo at yahoo.com.tw
>>> 20. mailto:knuckleballnews at yahoo.com
>>> 21. http://www.iSteve.com/
>>> 22. http://futurepundit.com/
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