[Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin

Gerry Reinhart-Waller waluk at earthlink.net
Sun Aug 21 16:09:10 UTC 2005

Not such a bad idea.  Yet immigrants are flowing into America while U.S. 
manufacturing has gone to cheaper foreign locales. 

Gerry Reinhart-Waller

Christian Rauh wrote:

> Free flow of people should be tied to free flow of capital, let the 
> market equalize things.
> Christian
> Gerry Reinhart-Waller wrote:
>> I think all of us grew up with grandparents or such who arrived in 
>> the U.S. expecting to be part of the great melting pot that America 
>> offered.  Today, thoughts of merging have been replaced by ethnic 
>> diversity.  What ethnic divisions create is group hatred, one for 
>> another.  That's what is responsible for the crumbling of our society.
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>> Steve Hovland wrote:
>>> It's eroding our society.
>>> I personally believe in the melting pot, not "diversity."
>>> Steve Hovland
>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From:    Lynn D. Johnson, Ph.D. [SMTP:ljohnson at solution-consulting.com]
>>> Sent:    Monday, August 15, 2005 8:45 PM
>>> To:    The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Subject:    Re: [Paleopsych] ParaPundit: Whites Still Do Manual 
>>> Labor In Wisconsin
>>> More thanks for Frank's efforts. This is exactly right. The 
>>> fast-food restaurant where I get my lunch salad used to be staffed 
>>> by ordinary causasians, often with obvious mild retardation. They 
>>> were good workers, and I enjoyed them. Now I can barely understand 
>>> the girl at the register and sometimes I have to ask her to say it 
>>> in Spanish because her English is so poor. I am deeply discouraged 
>>> and disillusioned by President Bush's attitude about illegal 
>>> emmigration.
>>> Lynn
>>> Premise Checker wrote:
>>>> Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>>> http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002938.html#002938
>>>>   2005 August 14 Sunday
>>>>   Whites Still Do Manual Labor In Wisconsin
>>>>   Over at [9]No Speed Bumps Dan reports on how [10]during a vacation
>>>>   trip in Wisconsin he found white people doing all the manual labor
>>>>   jobs that are done by Hispanics in Texas.
>>>>     Two weeks ago I vacationed near Oshkosh, Wisconsin. One thing
>>>>     strikingly different than living in Texas was that there were few
>>>>     Hispanics. In Texas, Hispanics are found in all walks of life, 
>>>> from
>>>>     doctors to janitors.
>>>>     With so many impoverished Hispanics illegally moving to Texas over
>>>>     the southern border each year, they have taken over most of the
>>>>     lower-skill jobs because they will work for less than American
>>>>     citizens. Go to any restaurant, hotel, or construction site and 
>>>> all
>>>>     of the basic manual labor tasks are being done by low-income
>>>>     Hispanics.
>>>>     Anyway, while on vacation, in the hotels we stayed in all of the
>>>>     maid staff and other help were white. The same was true of all of
>>>>     the restaurants we ate in, from the cooks, to the bus boys, to the
>>>>     grounds keepers. I felt like we were in a time machine and in a
>>>>     strange land.
>>>>     An interesting note about the maid staff at the hotels was the 
>>>> good
>>>>     cheer that they were in. They were constantly chatting among
>>>>     themselves and seemed very content as they went about their work.
>>>>     This reminded me that, yes, there is dignity to manual labor, and
>>>>     yes, white people can still do manual labor.
>>>>     This runs counter to the fashionable argument today justifying the
>>>>     open border policy with Mexico. The argument goes that America
>>>>     could just not function without all of the low-skill workers 
>>>> coming
>>>>     in to do all of the manual labor. Well, that is ridiculous. It may
>>>>     drive prices up some, if American citizens (whether white, black,
>>>>     or any other race) must do the work but the work will still get
>>>>     done, one way or another.
>>>>   One of the big whopper lies told by open borders advocates such as
>>>>   George W. Bush is that there are "jobs that Americans won't do". 
>>>> This
>>>>   is nonsense. One only need travel to those places where the bulk of
>>>>   the population is still white to see that this claim is false
>>>>   propaganda.
>>>>   As for the argument that a lack of cheap immigrant labor will 
>>>> drive up
>>>>   prices, it rests on three fallacies:
>>>>     * That low skilled labor makes up much of total costs. Wrong-o
>>>>       sleigh bell lovers. The bottom quintile of the United States
>>>>       population earns [11]only 3.5% of national income. 20% get 3.5%.
>>>>       If we deported all the illegal aliens and stopped all low 
>>>> skiilled
>>>>       and moderate skilled immigration the bottom 20% would see some
>>>>       significant increase in their wages. But that increase would be
>>>>       unlikely raise total prices by even a couple of percent. We 
>>>> don't
>>>>       pay them that much. A 10% or 20% increase in their salaries 
>>>> won't
>>>>       matter much to the rest of the population.
>>>>     * That there are no substitutes for cheap labor. Again, wrong-o
>>>>       sleigh bell lovers. Necessity is the mother of invention. In all
>>>>       likelihood, faced with higher labor costs industry would be more
>>>>       eager to develop and buy more capital equipment and to 
>>>> arrange the
>>>>       methods of purveying goods and services to decrease the 
>>>> amount of
>>>>       labor needed. In fact, we have an example available for what the
>>>>       lack of cheap immigrant labor will do to an industry. [12]The
>>>>       Australian wine industry is more automated than the American 
>>>> wine
>>>>       industry due to lack of cheap immigrant labor in Australia. Ben
>>>>       Franklin was right. We'd advance more rapidly without simple 
>>>> minds
>>>>       available to do simple tasks cheaply.
>>>>     * That there are no external costs to cheap unskilled immigrant
>>>>       labor. And once again, wrong-o sleigh bell lovers. Low skilled
>>>>       laborers can not afford to pay for their own medical care. They
>>>>       don't pay enough in taxes to pay for the educations of their
>>>>       children. They do not make enough to pay for their 
>>>> retirements in
>>>>       the United States. The list goes on. Oh, and they commit 
>>>> crime at
>>>>       higher rates. So they cost crime victims and also the criminal
>>>>       justice system. A year for an inmate at Rikers Island in New 
>>>> York
>>>>       costs $47,000. Criminals are expensive for the rest of us in 
>>>> many
>>>>       ways.
>>>>   The Open Borders advocates are deeply dishonest. America's elites 
>>>> are
>>>>   corrupt. They lie. They can not be trusted. America is going down a
>>>>   very wrong path. Our leaders in business and politics are to blame.
>>>>   But so are apathetic members of the public. It is time to wake up 
>>>> and
>>>>   demand a stop to massive immigration. The costs have become far too
>>>>   high and will be with us for decades to come.
>>>>   By Randall Parker at 2005 August 14 06:44 PM  [13]Immigration
>>>>   Economics | [14]TrackBack
>>>>   Comments
>>>>   in vermont too. many more latinos work in oregon than 10 years ago
>>>>   though, and i hear that similar things are going on in the south. i
>>>>   suspect that for a variety of reasons the upper midwest and new
>>>>   england (distance, climate, cost of living) will resist latino labor
>>>>   the longest.
>>>>   Posted by: [15]razib on August 14, 2005 08:55 PM
>>>>   Resistance is futile. Viva La Rasa.
>>>>   Posted by: [16]Mark on August 14, 2005 10:59 PM
>>>>   There would be a net savings from reversing the antimerit immigrant
>>>>   flow, some of which would be passed on to the consumers. If the 
>>>> bottom
>>>>   20% gets paid so little that their wages could double without the 
>>>> rich
>>>>   even noticing it, shifting 4% of the total income away from the top
>>>>   80% over several years, that is a worthwhile price to pay. There 
>>>> is no
>>>>   economic need to increase the size of the bottom end; it isn't about
>>>>   money, it's about power. How to get power, when there are no ideas;
>>>>   won't they use immigration to increase racial conflict, and say that
>>>>   officials must have more power?
>>>>   Posted by: [17]John S Bolton on August 14, 2005 11:26 PM
>>>>   For some reason my trackbacks to this post don't take, so ping!
>>>>   Posted by: [18]Dave Schuler on August 15, 2005 07:47 AM
>>>>   Eastern Washington, North Idaho, and Montana are alot like Wisconsin
>>>>   in that low end labor jobs are done primarly by whites. We have very
>>>>   few illegal aliens in this part of the country. This is good because
>>>>   we have much less of the "servant" culture that you see in 
>>>> California
>>>>   and other places. People clean their own homes and often do their 
>>>> own
>>>>   yard work. If you have someone else do these things, they are 
>>>> done by
>>>>   outside services operating more like independent business people
>>>>   rather than as "domestics". Not having the illegal immigrants means
>>>>   that we have a much more "do it yourself" mentality than, say, in
>>>>   Southern California.
>>>>   I do not like that "class" mentality that illegal immigration has
>>>>   produced in places like California and Texas. I think having 
>>>> distinct
>>>>   social classes, especially if they are of different races, is very
>>>>   destructive to the future of the U.S. The "open-borders" people need
>>>>   to be grilled over this issue.
>>>>   Posted by: [19]Kurt on August 15, 2005 10:01 AM
>>>>   razib - don't underestimate the number of mexicans in the upper
>>>>   midwest - chicago has the 2nd highest mexican population in the u.s.
>>>>   after l.a. granted this isn't wisconsin, but....
>>>>   randall - in a similar, practical manner that you approach 
>>>> alternative
>>>>   energy solutions, i.e. can't tell people to drive less or other
>>>>   inconveniences that would be a political non-starter in america 
>>>> today;
>>>>   what would be your political platform for immigration that would be
>>>>   politically feasible? i would love to know what you'd recommend,
>>>>   having put considerable thought to this issue, assuming something 
>>>> like
>>>>   you were an advisor to your senator. thanks.
>>>>   Posted by: [20]Jim on August 15, 2005 01:22 PM
>>>>   I spent a few days in Sierra Vista, AZ, a booming town about 15 
>>>> miles
>>>>   north of the Mexican border. Strikingly, the maids in my motel were
>>>>   white, as were a lot of the other service workers. The answer to 
>>>> this
>>>>   paradox is that Sierra Vista is within the narrow band heavily 
>>>> policed
>>>>   by the Border Patrol. If illegal aliens are found there, they are
>>>>   deported. But if they make it far enough north to Tucson or Phoenix,
>>>>   well, they're Ollie Ollie Home Free.
>>>>   Posted by: [21]Steve Sailer on August 15, 2005 02:03 PM
>>>>   Jim,
>>>>   Perhaps I don't understand your question. Politically feasible? I
>>>>   think a candidate for the Presidency could run on a platform to 
>>>> deport
>>>>   all the illegals and win. The dollar cost to the government of
>>>>   deporting all the illegals would be pretty low.
>>>>   The anger about the immigrant deluge is building. But politicians 
>>>> are
>>>>   chasing the votes of Hispanics, the Democrats see them as a solid
>>>>   Democrat voting bloc (and they are), and some business interests 
>>>> want
>>>>   cheap labor.
>>>>   I'd tell a US Senator to submit a bill to fund a barrier along the
>>>>   entire length of the border. I'd also propose upping the number of
>>>>   Border Patrol by 20,000 and setting them loose in the interior with
>>>>   orders to round up all illegals. Congress should give 
>>>> instructions to
>>>>   DHS to resume interior enforcement.
>>>>   Posted by: [22]Randall Parker on August 15, 2005 03:33 PM
>>>> References
>>>>   9. http://nospeedbumps.com/
>>>>  10. http://nospeedbumps.com/?p=334
>>>>  11. http://www.heritage.org/Research/Taxes/bg1791.cfm
>>>>  12. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002778.html
>>>>  13. http://www.parapundit.com/archives/cat_immigration_economics.html
>>>>  14. 
>>>> http://www.futurepundit.com/mt/mt-tb.cgi?__mode=view&entry_id=2938
>>>>  15. http://www.gnxp.com/
>>>>  16. mailto:dfsf at hotmail.com
>>>>  17. http://www.johnsbolton.net/
>>>>  18. http://www.theglitteringeye.com/
>>>>  19. mailto:kurt2100kimo at yahoo.com.tw
>>>>  20. mailto:knuckleballnews at yahoo.com
>>>>  21. http://www.iSteve.com/
>>>>  22. http://futurepundit.com/
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