[Paleopsych] Shhhhh is this another Ur Strategy?

K.E. guavaberry at earthlink.net
Sat Dec 10 22:16:22 UTC 2005

hey howard,

But I'm not at all sure.  Or should that be shhhure? Howard


your info helps to frame out the bigger story, 
loved reading it - thanks so much

and  didn't Skoyles used to write to the list?
suggests music is hardwired (which i believe)
& i think Steven Pinker is totally wrong
i think Trehub has it goin on

the other day on of my husbands co-workers said he
was reading a book about calming babies called best baby on the block
which gave parents an ordered 5 step  to do list (&  daddy said it worked)

one of the steps included saying shhhhh in the baby's ear
& to do it at the volume
to match the loudness of the baby cry
  loud cry = loud shhhhh
directly into the kids ear and the book also says no worries you can't hurt
the kids eardrum.

the whole thing got me thinking about the shhhhh - Ur thing
cause it's gotta be full of overtones & that 
falls under the music brain wiring idea.



the coo, bark and growl research does that include the chip?
if dr. provine can tickle rats and get them to laugh is laughing called a chip?

i just can't stop wondering about this.


At 01:41 AM 12/10/2005, you wrote:
>Hi, Karen.  Good question.
>All I can add to this is the bark the cool and the growl.
>Animals use low noises--the growl-- to make 
>themselves look big--big to rivals and big to 
>females who, even in frogs, go for bigness.  The 
>bigger the woofer the lower the sound, so us 
>animals go real low to make our woofers sound 
>huge.  Low rumbles are our musical dominance gestures.
>Animals use mid-range noises--the bark--to say 
>hello, how are you or to introduce themselves to 
>others they feel are equals.  The mid-range is a 
>music we sing to each other to connect without slipping into anger or intimacy.
>And animals use high-pitched, soft sounds to 
>make themselves sound small, unthreatening, 
>adorably appealing, and intimate.  We use 
>high-pitched soft sounds--coos--when we 
>baby-talk to our young ones or to our 
>lovers.  Tweeters make high sounds.  The smaller 
>the tweeter, the higher the sound.  Coos are 
>musical submission and seduction gestures.
>Shhhhh falls into the coo category, but so do 
>lots of other sounds.  I suspect that shhh isn't 
>cross-cultural--that it isn't replicated in 
>Chinese, Japanese, or Mayan.  But I'm not at all 
>sure.  Or should that be shhhure? Howard
>ps take a look at this paleopsych conversation 
>from 1998 in which Martha Sherwood added something intriguing:
>Martha Sherwood writes:  Subj:      Re: Language 
>as display Date:      98‑02‑23 13:01:14 EST 
>From: msherw at oregon.uoregon.edu (Martha 
>Sherwood) To: HowlBloom at aol.com  Regarding your 
>query to Gordon Burghart about geckos, it might 
>be relevant that the vocalizations accompanying 
>vampire bat threat displays are within the human 
>auditory range whereas their other signals are 
>not.  Martha hb: very nifty, Martha.  This would 
>fit in with the coo, bark and growl research, 
>since the bats are conceivably descending into 
>what for them is a basso profundo growl  to maximize their menace. Howard
>In a message dated 12/9/2005 1:21:22 PM Eastern 
>Standard Time, guavaberry at earthlink.net writes:
>hi everyone,
>sorry to interrupt the present conversation . . .
>but i've been wondering about this . . . .
>What is shhhhh? and does this fall under another UR strategy
>a western custom or is it
>a world wide "instinct" we all have to use shhhhhh
>for shushing  a baby to stop crying
>or to calm a crying baby or crying child.
>Is this another Ur Strategy?
>Do all human babies recognize this as the
>signal to be quiet?
>Do all cultures use this?
>I imagine it sounding like a snake's rattle
>but that doesn't mean much. I've heard it
>the same sound calm's horses and sounds
>similar to the word for thank you in mandarin.
>Do we know anything about shhhhh?
>Appreciate any thoughts you might have.
>Karen Ellis
>Re: Ur strategies and the moods of cats and dogs
>hb to pavel kurakin: I've had an adventure that will force me to stop
>for the night.  One of my cats attacked me and tore several holes in
>my face, nearly removing one of my eyes.

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