[Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security Underestimates Future LifeSpans, Critics Say

Thu Jan 6 21:19:30 UTC 2005

A giant uroborus is at work devouring our creativity be 
we engineers or other corporate types.  Yet there are 
many of us who choose careers other than the business 
world.  Those of us in such lifeways have all the 
leeway to THINK yet receive little in the way of 
monetary compensation.

Gerry Reinhart-Waller
Independent Scholar
http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
To: "'Geraldine Reinhardt'" <waluk at earthlink.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 6:40 AM
Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security 
Underestimates Future LifeSpans,Critics Say

> In many corporate situations engineers are less
> inventive after a certain age, but it's not because
> they are less creative.
>
> It's because they know that if they do something
> brilliant they won't get much more than a pat on
> the back and a demand to do something even
> better.  They know that most of the financial
> rewards will go to managers.
>
> Steve Hovland
> www.stevehovland.net
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:31 PM
> To: The new improved paleopsych list
> Cc: shovland at mindspring.com
> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security 
> Underestimates Future LifeSpans,Critics Say
>
> Doing good work after 55 is reserved for those NOT in
> the sciences....I've heard that scientists are washed
> up after 35.
>
> Since I'm a bit older than you, I marvel at when 
> these
> young scholars THINK they have gained expertise in
> their discipline.  I continue learning each day.
>
> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'"
> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:23 PM
> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security
> Underestimates Future LifeSpans,Critics Say
>
>
>>I have heard many people do their best work after 55.
>>
>> Having reached that age, it seems to me that it may
>> take that long to gain enough skill and experience
>> to do something really well.
>>
>> Steve Hovland
>> www.stevehovland.net
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Geraldine  Reinhardt 
>> [SMTP:waluk at earthlink.net]
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 7:20 PM
>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security
>> Underestimates Future LifeSpans, Critics Say
>>
>> If a scholar does excellent work then the fruits of
>> his
>> labor should continue until  he can no longer
>> function
>> with either a pen or keyboard.  Ernst Mayr, now over
>> 100 years old,  is such a person.  I recently came
>> upon
>> information that he and Jared Diamond have authored 
>> a
>> new text:  The Birds of Northern Melanesia:
>> Speciation,
>> Ecology, & Biogeography by Ernst Mayr, Jared 
>> Diamond,
>> H. Douglas Pratt.
>>
>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ross Buck" <ross.buck at uconn.edu>
>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'"
>> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:11 AM
>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security
>> Underestimates Future LifeSpans,Critics Say
>>
>>
>>>I understand that Dewey did his best work in his
>>>80's,
>>>but of course his job
>>> did not depend all that much on hand-eye
>>> coordination!
>>>
>>> Cheers, Ross
>>>
>>> Ross Buck, Ph. D.
>>> Professor of Communication Sciences
>>>   and Psychology
>>> Communication Sciences U-1085
>>> University of Connecticut
>>> Storrs, CT 06269-1085
>>> 860-486-4494
>>> fax  860-486-5422
>>> buck at uconnvm.uconn.edu
>>> http://www.coms.uconn.edu/docs/people/faculty/rbuck/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
>>> when they do it from
>>> religious conviction."
>>>
>>> -- Blaise Pascal
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org
>>> [mailto:paleopsych-bounces at paleopsych.org] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Geraldine Reinhardt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 9:14 PM
>>> To: The new improved paleopsych list
>>> Subject: Re: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security
>>> Underestimates Future
>>> LifeSpans, Critics Say
>>>
>>> Today on my way home I as usual took my designated
>>> exit
>>> off the freeway.  There parked alongside the
>>> shoulder
>>> of road was an elderly gentleman in a fancy black
>>> sedan.  Usually I never stop but this person looked
>>> a
>>> bit bewildered.....actually confused, so I braked
>>> and
>>> asked if he needed help.
>>>
>>> Turns out that he was on his way to a medical
>>> appointment, an eye doctor to be exact, and he
>>> needed
>>> to know which direction for Pasteur Drive.  He then
>>> said he was from San Francisco, a doctor himself,
>>> and
>>> had become very confused trying to decipher his
>>> secretary's directions.   He also mentioned he was
>>> recently widowed and was seeing his wife's
>>> ophthalmologist because she had spoken so highly of
>>> his
>>> ability with glaucoma procedures.
>>>
>>> Now I knew very well where Pasteur Drive was (it 
>>> was
>>> two exits beyond my apartment turn off) but I 
>>> wasn't
>>> certain if the road was clearly marked.  I then
>>> asked
>>> the gentleman if he would like to follow me and I'd
>>> lead him to his turn off.  How happy he became!  I
>>> then
>>> asked the name of the ophthalmologist he had his
>>> appointment with. "Dr. Rubin.....only I know I'll
>>> not
>>> make it in time".
>>>
>>> "Amazing",  I replied.  "He's the eye doctor for
>>> both
>>> my husband and me"!  "But.... I don't know if I'm
>>> continuing....he alarmed me during my last
>>> appointment
>>> when he was talking about doing corrective eye
>>> surgery".
>>>
>>> "How old do you suppose Dr. Rubin is", asked the
>>> stranger.
>>>
>>> Not wishing to age Dr. Rubin more than his years, I
>>> replied: "Maybe in his late 50's or somewhere in 
>>> his
>>> 60's".  I knew Rubin had to be hitting retirement
>>> age.
>>>
>>> "Oh" replied the doctor from San Francisco,  "I
>>> performed capillary surgery until I was 73 and then
>>> decided I needed to give it up".  "Yet my hands
>>> didn't
>>> falter and I was always on top of each case."
>>>
>>> As I drove to Pasteur Drive I thought about
>>> comparisons
>>> between repairing eye stuff and capillary
>>> surgery....were they similar?  For me, the person
>>> who
>>> needs to operate on my eyes should be young, bright
>>> and
>>> brilliant.  Yet why should eyes be that different
>>> from
>>> capillaries?
>>>
>>> Could be that we "see with our eyes".  What if we
>>> "looked" with our hearts?
>>>
>>> Either way, when is a doctor too old to assume his
>>> role
>>> of physician?  I'd say that if many of us can
>>> continue
>>> with our calling, doctors need to do the same.
>>> But....I'd like my eye-surgeon to retain a younger
>>> partner.
>>>
>>> Gerry Reinhart-Waller
>>> Independent Scholar
>>> http://www.home.earthlink.net/~waluk
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Steve Hovland" <shovland at mindspring.com>
>>> To: "'The new improved paleopsych list'"
>>> <paleopsych at paleopsych.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 3:33 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Paleopsych] NYT: Social Security
>>> Underestimates Future LifeSpans, Critics Say
>>>
>>>
>>>> Get ready to work longer than you expected :-)
>>>>
>>>> Steve Hovland
>>>> www.stevehovland.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Social Security Underestimates Future Life Spans,
>>>> Critics Say
>>>> NYT December 31, 2004
>>>> By ROBERT PEAR
>>>
>>> --snip-- 
>>>
>>>
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