[bigbangtango] Re: [Paleopsych] Morality

G. Reinhart-Waller waluk at earthlink.net
Sun Mar 27 05:04:16 UTC 2005

Hi Vole,
I find your explanation of Lutherans fascinating, especially the 
religious thugs.  This is the group I'm intimately familiar with.  Yep, 
I might even compare them to the KKK....they're really scary and 
Too bad all the jokes from many of our finer folks have gone the way of 
podunk.  Humor is something I was raised with as a child and something 
now I never hear.  Tis a pity I must say.
I know lots of Russian jokes but as far as Communism ones, I can't seem 
to  separate the two.  Hmmm,  could it be something that Breznev said? 
Yes. Yes.  Maybe a tale about landing on the moon?
Both Huck Finn and Tom Sawyer were politically incorrect in the 1960s so 
I'm not surprised you found an unwatered down version reading them in 
German.  Americans hated the word Nigger et. al used by Huck and that 
started the squabble.
Wow....your stream of consciousness is wonderful....so knowledgeable 
about American Literature.  But I must confess......as an English major 
the only Lit I avoided was Americn.  I found it too undisciplied and too 
WILD for my tastes.  So be it.
Humor is a wonderful way to express inner feelings only my German inlaws 
haven't seen the light.
Take care,

Val Geist wrote:

> Now, now Garry, not all the Lutherans I know are big hugs. Some are 
> religious thugs, extremists every bit as pathetic and pitiful as 
> religious thugs with other labels. However, the worst I only met on 
> this continent, where I first became aware of the Lutheran split into 
> two factions, one truly mindless in its religious zeal. They are as 
> representative of Germans as the Klu Klux Clan is of Americans. A 
> collection of pitiful creatures both and neither of great interest to 
> me. And, yes, the protestant north of Germany does abound in less 
> humor than the Catholic south, where I have most of my contacts, but 
> they do share historically a rich ethnic humor just the same. But 
> again, humor is a wonderful human attribute that transcends ethnicity 
> despite a rich sample of Jewish jokes, Polish Jokes, Newfie 
> Jokes....Come to think of it what I will miss about Communism is the 
> loss of Communist jokes, you know the 25 year, 10 year, 5 year 
> varieties (if you got caught telling the first type: 25 years in jail! 
> ...the second: 10 years in jail.. etc). Nazi and Communist jokes both 
> debunk authority in a juicy fashion, and though I appreciate both, its 
> nice to know that they will be appreciated less and less as time goes 
> on. I am a great fan of Mark Twain (his debunking of the German 
> language is truly priceless, almost as good as his debunking of the 
> writing style of James Fennimore Cooper). I read and re-read - in 
> German translation - Tom Sawyer about 12 times, and got a shock 
> reading it in English: the German translation was funnier! My heroes 
> in humor transcend nationality and I am a fan of all of it. We do not 
> remember heads of states as humorous, but Germany had one, Fredrik the 
> Great, a king who wrote and conversed in French, who wrote 32 books, 
> crossed swords with Voltaire, wrote classical music good enough to be 
> honored by the Toronto symphony with a night of his compositions, 
> adored by Napoleon for his military skills, but remembered best of all 
> for his humor. In the Seven Years War, he first fought at Rossbach 
> against the French and defeated them. A contingent of French officers 
> stood under guard in the evening, clearly not in the best of mood. A 
> lonely horseman approached them, and they recognized the king who had 
> defeated them. Fredrick halted, tipped his hat to the French officers 
> and a hush fell over the dejected crowd. "Gentlemen" the king said. "I 
> was expecting you. But not so many and not so soon". At war with 
> France, and yet he was the rage in Paris! War humor? Maudlin! The 
> humor of this wonderful American, then a youngster marching with 
> Patton's army, moves me to tears. And it moved Patton to white rage 
> who wanted Maudlin court-martialed for his cartoons. This young man 
> saw not the enemy as the evil, but war itself within which friend and 
> foe were caught helplessly, and he had - ongoing! - the courage to 
> portray it as such. The great Will Rogers once said in his cow-boy 
> humor that at all times there is somebody somewhere who does in dead 
> earnest what brings smiles to the faces of the rest of us. Maudlin 
> must have been listening, for he debunked his country's war 
> propaganda....despite his superior's rage! That's what heroism is all 
> about. That kind of humor could not thrive on the other side, alas, 
> but it was present. Germany has a rich history in humor going back to 
> medieval times: Till Eulenspiegel, Simplizius Simplizissimus, Baron 
> von Munchhausen and there is no shortage in the recent. "The Captain 
> of Koperick" a true story debunking the Kaiser's military culture, set 
> as a play by Carl Zuckmayer, a WW I hero decorated with the highest 
> German military honor, the Kaiser's "Pour le Merit", a Jew who had to 
> flee Germany and spent the war in the USA. Humor and tears are not far 
> apart. And it's not because you laugh till you are in tears! After 
> all, the court jester was valued because only he could say the truth 
> to the king! "Weisspferdl" (little white horse) was a wartime humorist 
> on stage in Munich. He appeared one night on stage with three pigs: a 
> boar, a sow and a piglet. "/Ladies and Gentlemen, may I introduce to 
> you the Family Mann! This is Boy Mann, this is Frau Mann, and this/" 
> and he pointed to the big, fat boar " /*is Hermann*/!". he was 
> promptly hauled off to jail for insulting Hermann Goering. After his 
> jail time he appeared on stage. In trot the three pigs - a turmoil 
> broke out in the audience! "/Ladies and Gentlemen, whom have I brought 
> with me?/" The audience roared "/Die Familie Mann/". Quieting the 
> turmoil he shouted "/No, No/. /This is not the Family Mann. These are 
> merely pigs, pigs and nothing else. An this/" and her pointed to the 
> boar" is /the goddmned fat hog I sat three days in jail for/!". 
> Weisspferdl is dead now, but the citizen of Munich erected a small 
> stature of him and he is well remembered. And Germany is a 
> culture that has suffered a lot of suppressed truths, and humor is one 
> way to let it out. Sorry that you had such run in with Lutheran sour 
> pusses. Cheers, Val Geist
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G. Reinhart-Waller" <waluk at earthlink.net 
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> Subject: Re: [bigbangtango] Re: [Paleopsych] Morality
> > How interesting that all the Lutherans you've known give hugs.  I've
> > known quite a few (Germanic through and through) and most of them 
> barely
> > smile.  Yet, to each his own.
> > Sadat was assassinated.....guess there were a few who didn't connect
> > with his message.  Sad though about his death.  Apparently the timing
> > then was incorrect to denounce Iranian ayatollahs.  I even doubt if
> > timing would now be correct.
> > Why would Luther or anyone be self-righteous towards the poor....that's
> > like claiming to be emperor of ice cream.  Luther could not relate to
> > poverty.
> > The German welfare state will be the downfall of the country.....what
> > with worker expectations of high salary, long vacations, pre-paid
> > benefits, etc. the country can no longer sustain its workers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gerry Reinhart-Waller
> >

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